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Re: Essence Tome | Essence Tome https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=56376.msg1163416#msg1163416
« Reply #12 on: October 31, 2014, 06:00:58 pm »
This probably costs too much. It requires one cast 4 spells before they've got a quanta refund, then take into account base quanta of a card

Reduced playing cost

The problem I see is that I personally dn't find useful to spend a card slot in the deck in order to have a bit cheapper spells

I see... Hm...

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Re: Essence Tome | Essence Tome https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=56376.msg1163481#msg1163481
« Reply #13 on: October 31, 2014, 11:25:51 pm »
The problem I see is that I personally dn't find useful to spend a card slot in the deck in order to have a bit cheapper spells
I can actually see how this is useful myself.
I would certainly use these, for instance, to allow a deck to splash steal, deflag, firerstorm, etc. off of a single nova use.
It makes cards that would normally be inaccessible due to cost very viable.

Since 3 quanta is the typical splash threshold (any higher cost is just too tricky to get stable), and you can assume that getting at least 2 of these within a few turns is pretty reasonable, that brings the splash threshold up to 5 for mid game. Probably higher if you only need the spell late game... That opens up a pretty wide range of previously inaccessible spells.

Right now, aether has very poor PC, and no mass CC so I could see adding a few of these, a few novas, and splash in a deflag, thunderstorm, upped steal, etc.
Thus, aether splash 'bow is born.
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Re: Essence Tome | Essence Tome https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=56376.msg1163490#msg1163490
« Reply #14 on: October 31, 2014, 11:50:35 pm »
Then you would need PLAYED a couple of these to be able to play a Steal, and you are vulnerable to PC
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Re: Essence Tome | Essence Tome https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=56376.msg1163502#msg1163502
« Reply #15 on: November 01, 2014, 12:29:02 am »
I see the OP was updated... I think the upped and unupped are flipped...
The upgraded only provides 1 point of reduction while the unpped produces 2.
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Re: Essence Tome | Essence Tome https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=56376.msg1163503#msg1163503
« Reply #16 on: November 01, 2014, 12:31:39 am »
It looks like unupped applies to both players and upped only to you.

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Re: Essence Tome | Essence Tome https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=56376.msg1163504#msg1163504
« Reply #17 on: November 01, 2014, 12:32:39 am »
It looks like unupped applies to both players and upped only to you.

This is the case.

 

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