River Acheron|River Acheron

[joebob777]

I think this effect might be more akin to the purifying nature of the river.

Purifying pain
 : Target creature takes 2 damage and gains +1|+1. [Estimated Value 1-2? 3?]
or
  : Target creature takes 4 damage and gains +2|+2. [Estimated Value 1-2? 3?]

This will increase the power and health of a creature but requires healing.

if it means what i think he means, it has to survive 4 damage FIRST then get the +2|+2 buff,
@johan it does to me to which is why i didnt go with it when he mentioned it on the lethe topic

[OldTrees]

I was unsure as to if you had seen it.

It is like rage potion if not coupled with healing. If the difference between Rage potion  and purifing pain is that the HP decrease is decreasing the Full HP in RP's case and increasing Full HP but decreasing current HP in PP's case.

Rage potion's mechanic is versatile enough to be modified for many different effects similar to the versatility of poison counters.

[Uppercut]

I think I like OldTrees' idea here. Tiny rage potion is neat.

[Nepycros]

Weird, my Archetype Training | Honing has the same effect, and it doesn't poison, plus it costs less. The only difference is that your card gains +1|+0 for every point of damage, where mine gains attack for each time it is damaged. The double poison however, is useful, since that's basically +2|-2 per turn. I can guess how this would be useful in some situations. / FTW.

[Nepycros]

Also, before I forget, why would this one be in Light? It seems more like this is a better skill than Styx. You've got your elements mixed up, to be quite honest. I can't see how a thwap making you stronger associates to light.

[joebob777]

Weird, my Archetype Training | Honing has the same effect, and it doesn't poison, plus it costs less. The only difference is that your card gains +1|+0 for every point of damage, where mine gains attack for each time it is damaged. The double poison however, is useful, since that's basically +2|-2 per turn. I can guess how this would be useful in some situations. / FTW.

Also, before I forget, why would this one be in Light? It seems more like this is a better skill than Styx. You've got your elements mixed up, to be quite honest. I can't see how a thwap making you stronger associates to light.

first note, i rememebered one of your cards had that ability and hoped i was wrong, but added the poison
second, it is light because the pain is supposed to purify you, is liquid shadow death just because it poisons, are forest and dune scorpions death just because they can poison, you are missing the point, the poison is supposed to help the effect along, not just add it in and call it death, and if you read earlier comments (which i am sure you did but decicded to ignore) you would notice we were discussing changes we could make to the card
as for the mini rage potion how bout 5|6 permanent with 1|1 ability cost, seems fair to me

[Nepycros]

The poison is death, because the creature is bound to die. It benefits from its own demise. In every aspect, this is bound to end up in death, because its overall effect suits death. When you are benefitting from the destruction of your own creatures, that is Death. When you are hurting your opponent in equivalence to your own creatures suffering, that is Death. When there is no chance for your creature to avoid this without some kind of HP buff, that is Death. This light isn't purifying you, it's killing you. A mini-rage pot is indeed useful, and the cost decrease would be justified, but the fact remains that Light doesn't suit this at all, except for your vague reasoning.

[Uppercut]

So it doesn't fit light until you come up with a good reason for it to be in light? Isn't that true for all cards in their respective elements? Its just numbers until you have flavor.

[Nepycros]

Uppercut, your argument is just a means to an end. You simply want me to realize that joebob's justification for his element is right because he says it is. If something is thematically off, I argue. That's my nature. Your argument isn't for the sake of defending anything. If this was in Aether, you would have defended it, wouldn't you?

[Uppercut]

If he could come up with a valid reason for it to be in aether I would. Is there a reason for you to attack my character or are you just being a troll?

[Nepycros]

Hardly. I guess I get grumpy at midnight.

I guess, to get to the point, does anyone here think that the slow demolishing of a creature suits Light more than Death? I certainly don't.

[Kuroaitou]

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