Renfield / Renfield (Elite)

[Arondight]

NAME: Renfield ELEMENT: Darkness COST: 4 TYPE: Creature ATT/HP: 2/5 ABILITY: When Renfield is destroyed by Drain Life / Siphon Life, summon Vampire Lord. . NOTES: High HP is there to make sure the user has to accumulate Darkness Quanta to be able to Siphon it in one shot. ART BY: N/A IDEA BY: Arondight	NAME: Renfield (Elite) ELEMENT: Darkness COST: 4 TYPE: Creature ATT/HP: 3/4 ABILITY: When Renfield (Elite) is destroyed by Drain Life / Siphon Life, summon Vampire Lord (Elite). . NOTES: Lower HP for quicker summoning of Vampire Lord (Elite) and unchanged cost to summon due to Devourers / Pests. ART BY: N/A IDEA BY: Arondight

NAME: Vampire Lord ELEMENT: Darkness COST: 9 TYPE: Creature ATT/HP: 6/6 ABILITY: Unholy Feast: Vampire Lord's damage is converted back to you in HP. When Vampire Lord successfully damages your opponent, your opponent loses 1 Max HP permanently. . NOTES: Planning not to be obtained as a stand alone. Attack and HP are even to prevent easy destruction by Paradox, if you use Eclipse, you take the risk. ART BY: N/A IDEA BY: Arondight

NAME: Vampire Lord (Elite) ELEMENT: Darkness COST: 9 TYPE: Creature ATT/HP: 7/7 ABILITY: Unholy Feast: Vampire Lord's damage is converted back to you in HP. When Vampire Lord successfully damages your opponent, your opponent loses 1 Max HP permanently. . NOTES: Planning not to be obtained as a stand alone. Attack and HP are even to prevent easy destruction by Paradox, if you use Eclipse, you take the risk. ART BY: N/A IDEA BY: Arondight

Previous Ability: decreased opponent's maximum HP by 5 and added that value to yours upon successful attack.

[Kameda]

There`s no card that can increase your max HP unlimited times, why would be one to do this AND decrease you opponents max HP?

[ManOfManySpoons]

I think decreasing the Vampire Lord's HP might make this more reasonable.  Right now it's out of Oty range even unupped, Shockwave doesn't kill it, isn't threatened by Paradox, and takes a fair amount of quanta for a lance or siphon life to deal with it. 

Even if it is fine like this, what happens when it gets buffed?  If it becomes an 8/8 by blessing, does it still only do +/-5 to your HP and your opponent's HP?  Is that reasonable to code?  I'm not sure.  Does it only increase the cap of your max HP?  I assume it also has the vampire ability built in, but just something that could be unclear. 

[killsdazombies]

glitch came up with an idea thats much more balanced then yours *dont have link sorry* im sorry to sound like a jerk but vamp lord is pretty broken, it would need some MAJOR debuffs for it to work.

[Arondight]

I think decreasing the Vampire Lord's HP might make this more reasonable.  Right now it's out of Oty range even unupped, Shockwave doesn't kill it, isn't threatened by Paradox, and takes a fair amount of quanta for a lance or siphon life to deal with it. 

Even if it is fine like this, what happens when it gets buffed?  If it becomes an 8/8 by blessing, does it still only do +/-5 to your HP and your opponent's HP?  Is that reasonable to code?  I'm not sure.  Does it only increase the cap of your max HP?  I assume it also has the vampire ability built in, but just something that could be unclear.

Well, the whole point of the card is to make the transformation worthwhile that's why. In contrast with the other transformation series I've made, they all do not succumb to Otyugh or cheap cost effects that negate them instantly. There would not be a point in going through the requirement to summon them if so.

 The final ability is to be decided, though. I didn't want to do damage to healing process that is dealt with it's attack because then it would be buffed up and add more HP to you. So, regardless if it is debuffed with Antimatter or buffed with blessing, it would still absorb 5 HP for you upon a successful attack.

glitch came up with an idea thats much more balanced then yours *dont have link sorry* im sorry to sound like a jerk but vamp lord is pretty broken, it would need some MAJOR debuffs for it to work.

What kind of debuffs? What is wrong with it? What would balance it?

[Hyroen]

I find it surprising that you see it as underpowered, Vampire Lord + Adrenaline + Quintessence and the enemy has a major issue. I think the fact that it decreases the enemy's maximum life is an issue. Maybe make it affect the quanta of the enemy, or just the good ol' vampire ability. Vampire Lord just seems too abusive.

Keep in mind that Vampire Lord may desire some of its owner's maximum life and if this is implemented on a card, that creates an issue for its owner, but would most likely be balanced out with another potent negative effect for its enemy. Just something to think about.

Having said that, I do however love the fact that you are introducing cards that can only be summoned through means of particular spell cards targeting them. I will definitely have a crack at that style some time soon.

[Arondight]

How about I make it do this ability: Vampire Lord comes into play poisoned. With each successful hit, lower your opponent's maximum HP by 5 and add 5 to your maximum HP?

[Hyroen]

Let's math now:

1 Vampire Lord * 5 Successful attacks = -25 Max HP per Vampire Lord
-25 Max HP * 6 Vampire Lords = -150 Max HP.

And that's assuming you don't just Heavy Armour it, increasing  / synergy, or simply heal it with Guardian Angel.

And once again, stable life, or Basilisk's Blood, wait some turns, speed it up with adrenaline, and the enemy has issues again.

[Lanidrak]

Unsure about the ability, constructional feedback always welcomed. I think it's underpowered. Planning not to be obtained as a stand alone. Current ability does not activate multiple times with Adrenaline.

I'm going to find this hard to keep constructive. The only card in the game that increases your maximum HP is a 1) Rare, 2) Upgraded, shard. And, that only gives you a once off boost of 20hp. There is a reason for this.

Secondly, there are no cards in the game which affect your opponents maximum HP. Again, reason.

Yet, here you have a card which does both.

Look at Hyoren's math example.

[killsdazombies]

the ability is too powerful, add an eclipse to that equation, and adrenaline.

[jallenw]

1) Make it heal you for the amount of damage it does, just like a vampire but not increase your max hp.
2) Make it reduce the opponents maximum health by 1 on each successful attack. (This is similar to the puffer fish that does 2 damage, and adds 1 poison counter.)

Those two steps would probably balance it fairly well, but keep it in line with your original concept.

Just my ideas,
Jallen

[Arondight]

Well, thanks for the constructive comments. I just personally found the ability a bit lacking in terms of power because you have to add more or replace cards in your deck and have to have the cards in hand in order for it to be summoned. Which isn't always consistent in comparison to just filling your deck with Vampires instead, which could do the job and then some (Adrenaline, Eclipse, etc.), but does not add to your maximum HP.

My other idea for the ability is something that drains Quanta and converts it to HP for you. Not Max HP, by the way.

1) Make it heal you for the amount of damage it does, just like a vampire but not increase your max hp.
2) Make it reduce the opponents maximum health by 1 on each successful attack. (This is similar to the puffer fish that does 2 damage, and adds 1 poison counter.)

Those two steps would probably balance it fairly well, but keep it in line with your original concept.

Just my ideas,
Jallen

Your ideas sound like good changes, I may just change it to that and work from there again.