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Re: Reflect | Reflect https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14407.msg183348#msg183348
« Reply #24 on: October 24, 2010, 05:54:08 am »
Seems overpowered, IMO. As Seiya mentioned, there is no way to kill the creature without a shield. The only two shields that can kill a creature are Thorn Carapace, Fire Shield, and of course, the respective upgraded versions of each card. Load a deck up with Deflagrations or Steals, and it entirely cuts out the need for Quintessence or immortality in general. Monsters would be untouchable. Personally, I don't like the idea of this card becoming a reality unless changed (big time), but that's just me. I like your humor in the card description though. Made me chuckle. :P

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Re: Reflect | Reflect https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14407.msg183377#msg183377
« Reply #25 on: October 24, 2010, 07:29:55 am »
Seems overpowered, IMO. As Seiya mentioned, there is no way to kill the creature without a shield. The only two shields that can kill a creature are Thorn Carapace, Fire Shield, and of course, the respective upgraded versions of each card. Load a deck up with Deflagrations or Steals, and it entirely cuts out the need for Quintessence or immortality in general. Monsters would be untouchable. Personally, I don't like the idea of this card becoming a reality unless changed (big time), but that's just me. I like your humor in the card description though. Made me chuckle. :P
I think you might have missed this part...

:gravity Devour - OTYUGH EATS THE USER INSTEAD. The creature dies.
Slightly less powerful than quintessence, this way :P

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Re: Reflect | Reflect https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14407.msg183388#msg183388
« Reply #26 on: October 24, 2010, 07:58:27 am »
How long would this spell last?
I think it lasts the same as adrenaline.
So you mean it will probably never end.
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Re: Reflect | Reflect https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14407.msg183695#msg183695
« Reply #27 on: October 24, 2010, 06:23:34 pm »
Seems overpowered, IMO. As Seiya mentioned, there is no way to kill the creature without a shield. The only two shields that can kill a creature are Thorn Carapace, Fire Shield, and of course, the respective upgraded versions of each card. Load a deck up with Deflagrations or Steals, and it entirely cuts out the need for Quintessence or immortality in general. Monsters would be untouchable. Personally, I don't like the idea of this card becoming a reality unless changed (big time), but that's just me. I like your humor in the card description though. Made me chuckle. :P
I think you might have missed this part...

:gravity Devour - OTYUGH EATS THE USER INSTEAD. The creature dies.
Slightly less powerful than quintessence, this way :P
I think by "The creature dies", the creature using the skill instantly dies, rather than consuming another. I'm not really sure, as the logics of this entire card are confusing, but that's how I perceived it. Perhaps this should just be an entropy card for the sake of all the chaos it brings. :x

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Re: Reflect | Reflect https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14407.msg183964#msg183964
« Reply #28 on: October 24, 2010, 11:24:54 pm »
i say 6/5 because it is way too over powered and can really be way too powerful.  changes a lot of cards used on your own creatures to affect yourself positively or opponent negatively.  quint just stops the effect but this transfers the effect right back to user far more then quint.

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Re: Reflect | Reflect https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14407.msg184025#msg184025
« Reply #29 on: October 25, 2010, 12:43:19 am »
Oh.  My apologies.  I thought that the creature using the devour skill would die, not that the creature with reflect would die.  My bad.

EDIT:  What happens if Steal or Deflagration are used?

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Re: Reflect | Reflect https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14407.msg184048#msg184048
« Reply #30 on: October 25, 2010, 01:02:36 am »
those do not hit a creature they target the permanents so no change.

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Re: Reflect | Reflect https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14407.msg184060#msg184060
« Reply #31 on: October 25, 2010, 01:12:13 am »
I'm not sure if I'm understanding the concept clearly.  Does this card only reflect spells that target the one creature with the reflect skill?

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Re: Reflect | Reflect https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14407.msg184094#msg184094
« Reply #32 on: October 25, 2010, 01:53:44 am »
This is somewhat more powerful than quint in that you can affect your own HP with things like BB, so I can see why people want the cost increase.  I'd rather see it at 4/3 myself, but thats neither here nor there.

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Re: Reflect | Reflect https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14407.msg184299#msg184299
« Reply #33 on: October 25, 2010, 09:12:12 am »
I like the Idea a lot ... Good Job!

What about :water Flood and :darkness Nightfall ?

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Re: Reflect | Reflect https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14407.msg184306#msg184306
« Reply #34 on: October 25, 2010, 09:37:59 am »
I don't think they count because they are permanents.
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Re: Reflect | Reflect https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14407.msg184325#msg184325
« Reply #35 on: October 25, 2010, 10:25:32 am »
I like the Idea a lot ... Good Job!

What about :water Flood and :darkness Nightfall ?
I think flood would work as it should, and nightfall... +1(2) to weapon if the owner's got a vamp dagger equipped :P

 

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