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Vampire Lord | Vampire Lord https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=15298.msg195576#msg195576
« on: November 07, 2010, 05:28:17 am »
NAME:
Vampire Lord
ELEMENT:
Darkness
COST:
10 :darkness
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
4|4
TEXT:
All creatures with the vampire ability gain +1/+0

When Vampire Lord dies, 2 minor vampires are summoned.
NAME:
Vampire Lord
ELEMENT:
Darkness
COST:
10 :darkness
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
5|5
TEXT:
All creatures with the vampire ability gain +1/+0

When Vampire Lord dies, 3 minor vampires are summoned.
ART:
Open for submissions.
IDEA:
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NOTES:
Boost will stack with Nightfall, but not with itself.

I'm aware that it's probably not balanced right now. I'm looking for suggestions on what people think would be balanced.
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Re: Vampire Lord | Vampire Lord https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=15298.msg195732#msg195732
« Reply #1 on: November 07, 2010, 12:27:53 pm »
I recommend to start a poll on this. Not sure if it is OP or UP.
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Re: Vampire Lord | Vampire Lord https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=15298.msg195816#msg195816
« Reply #2 on: November 07, 2010, 03:16:06 pm »
The upgrade is too much of an improvement.
+1|+1 and creates and additional 2|2 Vampire is worth more than 2 :darkness. [The maximum upgrade cost reduction is 2]

On cost:
The minor vampires are only created when the vampire lord dies. However 2 minor vampires deal more damage than 1 vampire lord (except vs damage reducing shields) so when would vampire lord be killed by the opponents?

Automated defenses: Fire Shield, Thorn Carapace
Collateral damage: Rain of Fire, Unstable Gas, Pandemonium, Thunderstorm, Plague
When a DR 2 shield is out: Jade Shield, Titanium Shield, Permafrost Shield
or when 3 other minor vampires are on the field. [4|4, 3x3|2 Vampire = 16 :darkness, 5x2|2 Vampire = 15 :darkness]

So all in all the opponent most likely will not try to kill the vampire lord as it stands now. I would rate this undesirablity to destroy at about +2 :darkness quanta worth since it is akin to inability to destroy [+2 :aether worth]

Vampire Lord
4 [Atk] +2 [Undesirable Target]
=6 :darkness
Vampire Lord + Minor Vampire
4 [Atk] +2 [Undesirable Target] +1 [Effect of +1|+0 skill]
=7 :darkness
Vampire Lord + 2 Minor Vampires
4 [Atk] +2 [Undesirable Target] +2 [Effect of +1|+0 skill]
=8 :darkness
Vampire Lord + 3 Minor Vampires -> 5 Minor Vampires
4 [Atk] +3 [Effect of +1|+0 skill] -> 2x Minor Vampire[3 :darkness] +1 [Cost of Destruction]
=7 :darkness -> =7 :darkness

So Vampire Lord's value ranges from 6 :darkness to 8 :darkness averaging out at 7 :darkness

So my suggestion would be to change the
Stats to 4|4 each
Effect to spawn only 2 Minor Vampires each
and the Cost to 7 :darkness/6 :darkness
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Re: Vampire Lord | Vampire Lord https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=15298.msg195820#msg195820
« Reply #3 on: November 07, 2010, 03:20:24 pm »
Just need to clarify... does "dies" in the text equal leave play? I am not sure the Ai differentiates between the two and you could have some fun with Eternity and Vamp Lord.

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Re: Vampire Lord | Vampire Lord https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=15298.msg195840#msg195840
« Reply #4 on: November 07, 2010, 04:14:26 pm »
Just need to clarify... does "dies" in the text equal leave play? I am not sure the Ai differentiates between the two and you could have some fun with Eternity and Vamp Lord.
I assume dies refers to triggers a death effect.
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Re: Vampire Lord | Vampire Lord https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=15298.msg196045#msg196045
« Reply #5 on: November 07, 2010, 10:01:05 pm »
Just need to clarify... does "dies" in the text equal leave play? I am not sure the Ai differentiates between the two and you could have some fun with Eternity and Vamp Lord.
I assume dies refers to triggers a death effect.
Yep.

Thanks for the input OldTrees. I'm going to see what other people have to say, but as it stands now, my next version will probably look similar to the one you suggested.

 

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