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Quantum Loadstone | Quantum Loadstar https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21310.msg272427#msg272427
« on: February 17, 2011, 05:13:59 am »
NAME:
Quantum Loadstone
ELEMENT:
Other
COST:
2
TYPE:
Permanent 
ATK|HP:
-
TEXT:
Each turn generates the quantum used in its casting.
NAME:
Quantum Loadstar
ELEMENT:
Other
COST:
2
TYPE:
Permanent
ATK|HP:
-
TEXT:
Each turn generates the quantum used in its casting. If destroyed return its casting cost to owner.
ART:
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IDEA:
Agroagro
NOTES:
Felt there is room for something like this in the game.
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Re: Quantum Loadstone | Quantum Loadstar https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21310.msg272430#msg272430
« Reply #1 on: February 17, 2011, 05:20:42 am »
I think the upped version is a little UP

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Re: Quantum Loadstone | Quantum Loadstar https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21310.msg272434#msg272434
« Reply #2 on: February 17, 2011, 05:25:32 am »
This has a 0%/50%/75% (Mono/Duo/Trio) chance of being a duo pillar that produces 1 quanta per turn.

The upgrade does not feel worth it. Perhaps have it return 1 quanta when played in addition?

I am not sure why this should coexist with pendulums (however there may be a reason)
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Re: Quantum Loadstone | Quantum Loadstar https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21310.msg272464#msg272464
« Reply #3 on: February 17, 2011, 06:48:20 am »
This has a 0%/50%/75% (Mono/Duo/Trio) chance of being a duo pillar that produces 1 quanta per turn.

The upgrade does not feel worth it. Perhaps have it return 1 quanta when played in addition?

I am not sure why this should coexist with pendulums (however there may be a reason)
Its ment to produce 2 quantum per turn.

and, you have the ability to control (to a certain extent) what type of quantum you want to produce. The pendulum revolve around your mark. and quantum pillar produce randomly. With the loadstone you know what your getting.

I think the upped version is a little UP
I came up with the un-upped version first. I didnt really know what to do with the upped version. returning the quanta seems like a good idea.

Thanks for the feed back

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Re: Quantum Loadstone | Quantum Loadstar https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21310.msg272482#msg272482
« Reply #4 on: February 17, 2011, 07:36:20 am »
Ah if it produces 2 quanta per turn that is a different manner.
That does kinda limit its balancing variables.

Obviously although this looks like it costs :rainbow in reality it costs trio/quad quanta.
This means the cost is at least equivalent to 2 elemental quanta if not 3.
In return it acts like 2 cards instead of 1.

I think the unupped is balanced. The upgraded can be balanced by mirroring pillars|towers and removing the current upgrade bonus.

This works as nice quanta acceleration and trio/quad quanta fixation.
Chance of producing two types of quanta 67%/75% (I miscalculated before.)
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Re: Quantum Loadstone | Quantum Loadstar https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21310.msg272493#msg272493
« Reply #5 on: February 17, 2011, 08:16:13 am »
Obviously although this looks like it costs :rainbow in reality it costs trio/quad quanta.
This means the cost is at least equivalent to 2 elemental quanta if not 3.
In return it acts like 2 cards instead of 1.
What do you mean here? I dont think I understand when you say "the cost is at least equivalent to 2 elemental quanta if not 3." how could the card cost 3?

You get the concept. It stablizes 3+ element decks or is quanta acceleration for decks that need a certain type.

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Re: Quantum Loadstone | Quantum Loadstar https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21310.msg272496#msg272496
« Reply #6 on: February 17, 2011, 08:29:41 am »
Obviously although this looks like it costs :rainbow in reality it costs trio/quad quanta.
This means the cost is at least equivalent to 2 elemental quanta if not 3.
In return it acts like 2 cards instead of 1.
What do you mean here? I dont think I understand when you say "the cost is at least equivalent to 2 elemental quanta if not 3." how could the card cost 3?

You get the concept. It stablizes 3+ element decks or is quanta acceleration for decks that need a certain type.
There are two common types of quanta: Elemental Quanta [ :aether, :air, :darkness, :death, :earth, :entropy, :fire, :gravity, :life, :light, :time or :water] and Rainbow/other quanta [ :rainbow].
I convert all values into elemental quanta.

Commonly combos that cost 2 :aether + 3 :air are equated to (2+3)+1=6 :darkness. This takes into account the additional difficulty of efficiently using two+ types of quanta.
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Re: Quantum Loadstone | Quantum Loadstar https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21310.msg272525#msg272525
« Reply #7 on: February 17, 2011, 10:26:02 am »
I think the upped version could cost 3 or 4, that's not much more cost, but more quanta gain each turn!

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Re: Quantum Loadstone | Quantum Loadstar https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21310.msg272532#msg272532
« Reply #8 on: February 17, 2011, 10:38:06 am »
I think the upped version could cost 3 or 4, that's not much more cost, but more quanta gain each turn!
2 quanta acceleration is powerful enough. 3-4 quanta acceleration would be ridiculous on a single card.
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Re: Quantum Loadstone | Quantum Loadstar https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21310.msg272653#msg272653
« Reply #9 on: February 17, 2011, 05:30:48 pm »
I thought about 3 quantum but thought it was two powerful as well. That and it could be harder to set up in multi color decks.

 

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