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Quantum God Soul Offer | Quantum God Soul Offer https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50417.msg1087438#msg1087438
« on: July 17, 2013, 01:18:23 am »
NAME:
Quantum God Soul Offer
ELEMENT:
Other
COST:
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TYPE:
Spell
ATK|HP:

TEXT:
Your quanta production is doubled for this turn.
Drain all of your mark quanta.
NAME:
Quantum God Soul Offer
ELEMENT:
Other
COST:
4 :rainbow
TYPE:
Spell
ATK|HP:

TEXT:
Your quanta production is doubled for this turn.
Drain half of your mark quanta.

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NOTES:
In the upgraded version when an odd number situation happens the halving is rounded up.
The quanta production doubling is relative only to what happens in the non active part of the turn.
 E.G
Creatures that produce quanta and your quanta generators will be affected by QGSO, while instead:
A nova played after QGSO will not give 2 quanta per element.
A tower played after QGSO will not give 2 instant quanta element related.
A leaf Dragon converting will not give 4 life quanta per every light quanta convertedand a devourer, wich is a converter, won't be affected neither.
Etc.Etc.
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This card came to my mind especially to improve trios and quartets.
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Re: Quantum God Soul Offer | Quantum God Soul Offer https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50417.msg1087444#msg1087444
« Reply #1 on: July 17, 2013, 01:37:06 am »
Pretty damn OP with Devtal. Random cost complicates things a lot. I'd try to find a thematic connection to an Element and put it there.
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Re: Quantum God Soul Offer | Quantum God Soul Offer https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50417.msg1087446#msg1087446
« Reply #2 on: July 17, 2013, 01:43:34 am »
Pretty damn OP with Devtal. Random cost complicates things a lot. I'd try to find a thematic connection to an Element and put it there.
Yeah, i was waiting for someone "qualificated" to comment on this to discuss it together since i knew that there were some complications.
As for the devourer problem we may avoid the problem making it have the boost just for the producers and not the converters.
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Re: Quantum God Soul Offer | Quantum God Soul Offer https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50417.msg1087534#msg1087534
« Reply #3 on: July 17, 2013, 01:03:21 pm »
Doubles quanta: In other words, your pillars work twice this turn, ignoring creature quanta for just a second.

Doubling quanta for just 2: Gain quanta equal to the difference between the number of pillars you own, and 2.

So let's say you have 8 pillars. This would gain you 6 quanta while draining your mark quanta, no worries as long as your mark is something off element.

I think the card is actually okay.

Creature quanta on the other hand... Perhaps just make it double pillar/pendulum generation?

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Re: Quantum God Soul Offer | Quantum God Soul Offer https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50417.msg1087558#msg1087558
« Reply #4 on: July 17, 2013, 05:04:26 pm »
Doubles quanta: In other words, your pillars work twice this turn, ignoring creature quanta for just a second.

Doubling quanta for just 2: Gain quanta equal to the difference between the number of pillars you own, and 2.

So let's say you have 8 pillars. This would gain you 6 quanta while draining your mark quanta, no worries as long as your mark is something off element.

I think the card is actually okay.

Creature quanta on the other hand... Perhaps just make it double pillar/pendulum generation?
I think the only problem is given by devourer, other quanta generating creatures(gnome rider, brimstone eater, ray of light, dragonfly) will just get a needed little boost wich will help play trios and quartets and as i noticed before the problem may be solved by limiting it to the generating concept(wich thinking again it's actually how the card works due to the wording, so it won't even need a rewriting).
In fact, many times those are played with adrenaline to help the production but it's a standalone tactic wich not always offer a reliable solution.
For the only other way of production, wich is luciferin, i don't see a big problem, since usually it gets used as a mass effect card and thus you can already see light abundance in the actual game many times because of complementary cards as tu, fractal mitosis, boneyard and some other unusual methods.
As for monos or duos well...it doesn't worth the effort at all, so yeah, i think it is fairly balanced, surely not OP.
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Re: Quantum God Soul Offer | Quantum God Soul Offer https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50417.msg1087672#msg1087672
« Reply #5 on: July 18, 2013, 03:03:07 pm »
So in my scarab deck, with a bunch of time factories and a gravity mark, for a mere 2 quanta and all of my gravity quanta (no big loss), I can spit out double pillar production and play two pharaohs next turn.  In my graboid-shrieker deck, with a time mark, for a mere 2 quanta, and all of my time quanta, I'm gong to start laying out shriekers as quickly as I draw them.

It's a situational card, and not really overpowered, but the only time I'd ever use it in a deck would be when I'm playing a deck where my mark is used to power something minor and isn't the primary element I'm playing with.  All my mark quanta?  No biggie.

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Re: Quantum God Soul Offer | Quantum God Soul Offer https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50417.msg1087691#msg1087691
« Reply #6 on: July 18, 2013, 04:32:07 pm »
So in my scarab deck, with a bunch of time factories and a gravity mark, for a mere 2 quanta and all of my gravity quanta (no big loss), I can spit out double pillar production and play two pharaohs next turn.  In my graboid-shrieker deck, with a time mark, for a mere 2 quanta, and all of my time quanta, I'm gong to start laying out shriekers as quickly as I draw them.

It's a situational card, and not really overpowered, but the only time I'd ever use it in a deck would be when I'm playing a deck where my mark is used to power something minor and isn't the primary element I'm playing with.  All my mark quanta?  No biggie.
First thing, in order to play them you'll have to draw them, wich, as you know, become more diffucult in a larger deck, since you will have to ADD them, so no "spitting"..
Second, playing a scarab deck and loosing all your gravity quanta IS a biggie loss, brò, since to start eating first can make the difference in wining or loosing a match as the deck itself it's fragile against fast rushes.
Third the card is not more situational than flooding, in fact, being quanta production related you may say it's instead a multiuse card, as quanta is the fuel of the game.
Fourth, the main purpose of the card is to help fueling trios and quads and as such(to go back to point 3) is situational like a supernova, but will you say that supernova is a bad card!?! Will you play a supernova in a mono? No, because it is stupid. Many decks exist just because of supernova exists and as such the game itself got a limitation in making rainbows works, but it's nothing compared to making a trio or a quad wich is way, way more difficult.
So you may have noticed that the mark quanta loss has been done to limitate the too big advantage on trios and quads this card may give, wich would have resulted in an OP card.
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Re: Quantum God Soul Offer | Quantum God Soul Offer https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50417.msg1087840#msg1087840
« Reply #7 on: July 19, 2013, 01:50:15 pm »
Have it be +100% quanta rather than x2 quanta.
2 copies would be +200% rather than x4.
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« Reply #8 on: July 19, 2013, 01:59:18 pm »
^ I don't think it stacks. Might be wrong though.

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Re: Quantum God Soul Offer | Quantum God Soul Offer https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50417.msg1087853#msg1087853
« Reply #9 on: July 19, 2013, 04:10:20 pm »
It doesn't stack
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Re: Quantum God Soul Offer | Quantum God Soul Offer https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50417.msg1087895#msg1087895
« Reply #10 on: July 19, 2013, 09:14:18 pm »
It doesn't stack
Why? There are very few cases where something is balanced but stacking independently would be OP.

Preventing it from stacking is not a shortcut to make this card more balanced.
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« Reply #11 on: July 19, 2013, 10:10:38 pm »
It's not a shortcut, it just doesn't stack for whatever reason. Do you have a specific reason for why it should stack?

 

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