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Presupposition | Presupposition https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58481.msg1190942#msg1190942
« on: May 28, 2015, 10:54:16 am »
NAME:
Presupposition
ELEMENT:
Life
COST:
3 :life
TYPE:
Spell
ATK|HP:

TEXT:
Discard a card in your hand to your deck. Gain 1.5x the quanta of the selected card's quanta cost.
NAME:
Presupposition
ELEMENT:
Life
COST:
2 :life
TYPE:
Spell
ATK|HP:

TEXT:
Discard a card in your hand to your deck. Gain 1.5x the quanta of the selected card's quanta cost.

ART:
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IDEA:
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NOTES:
I really had a hard time coming up with the effects on this one.

Sooo, at first it started as "Targetted creature gains Presupposition. Presupposition: mutate every other turn", then it turned into a permanent and then "Targetted creatures have 10% chance to ignore ability and gain Presupposition" Presupposition here means "mutate then return to original state one turn later". Then it turned to what it is now.

I'm gonna bring up an option right now:
1. Stick to the current effects!
2. Put on top of the deck, gain the original quanta cost!


presuppose
/ˌpriːsəˈpəʊz/
verb (transitive)
1.
to take for granted; assume
2.
to require or imply as a necessary prior condition
(from dictionary.reference.com)


Yeah that is all there is for now. I'll modify this card's and Decadence's series to a new thread once it reaches 6 cards. Series titled "Words of power"

CHANGE NOTES:
Aether --> Life = Not mechanically fit for the theme whereas Life does.
SERIES:

« Last Edit: May 28, 2015, 12:38:25 pm by Christopaz »
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Re: Presupposition | Presupposition https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58481.msg1190949#msg1190949
« Reply #1 on: May 28, 2015, 11:53:46 am »
Quanta ramp in aether is one of those no-nos that aether has - Aether's "weakness" is that everything is has is expensive and somewhat slow.

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Re: Presupposition | Presupposition https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58481.msg1190952#msg1190952
« Reply #2 on: May 28, 2015, 12:27:54 pm »
Quanta ramp in aether is one of those no-nos that aether has - Aether's "weakness" is that everything is has is expensive and somewhat slow.

Well, I thought Aether thematically fits, I can always change the element.
I think  :life can since Presupposition = Assume = Form = GIVE LIFE.

But yeah, I guess I did not consider how expensive Aether cards are, will change to Life likely. Tomorrow edits. (Now I have to make the card art green whoopee)
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Re: Presupposition | Presupposition https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58481.msg1190963#msg1190963
« Reply #3 on: May 28, 2015, 03:38:38 pm »
Compare it with Immolation. It gives less quanta (5-6 on most of the dragons) but you don't need to pull a combo to get the quanta burst.
I would say it's balanced, but I don't see the thematic fitting  :life
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Re: Presupposition | Presupposition https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58481.msg1190968#msg1190968
« Reply #4 on: May 28, 2015, 04:28:14 pm »
Compare it with Immolation. It gives less quanta (5-6 on most of the dragons) but you don't need to pull a combo to get the quanta burst.
I would say it's balanced, but I don't see the thematic fitting  :life

Why is it not thematically fit for  :life ? I'm confused on which element is this supposed on...
:gravity is even more clunky than  :aether
 :entropy has one already
 :earth ... can be fine, I guess as it is rather moldable.
 :water even finer, as water itself is malleable.
 :light can assume many forms too.
 :air can be.
 :darkness I already had one card in mind, but I don't see how this card thematically fits anyway
 :time is constantly changing, but is okay too.
 :fire more rush for fire!

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Re: Presupposition | Presupposition https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58481.msg1190969#msg1190969
« Reply #5 on: May 28, 2015, 05:10:57 pm »
This card doesn't thematically not fit in life, therefore, it's fine in life, imo.

As long as what you're killing/discarding isn't a creature (Alectryomancer causes more life in the long run; don't bring it up), I'm all for it. I'm happy with this card as is - might be a little too weak, but that's fine.

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Re: Presupposition | Presupposition https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58481.msg1190972#msg1190972
« Reply #6 on: May 28, 2015, 05:24:55 pm »
Thematically, not mechanically.

Quanta burst for  :life is surely a powerful and useful thing that  :life may deserve, but the name isn't just lifeish  :P
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Re: Presupposition | Presupposition https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58481.msg1190977#msg1190977
« Reply #7 on: May 28, 2015, 05:40:16 pm »
Thematically, not mechanically.

Quanta burst for  :life is surely a powerful and useful thing that  :life may deserve, but the name isn't just lifeish  :P

B-but... that's where I got the card concept and everything!
Assumption/Presumption (synonyms of the word) are common words and are not near :life either.

Glad you guys found the card to be balanced.  :D

This card doesn't thematically not fit in life, therefore, it's fine in life, imo.

As long as what you're killing/discarding isn't a creature (Alectryomancer causes more life in the long run; don't bring it up), I'm all for it. I'm happy with this card as is - might be a little too weak, but that's fine.

I was thinking of bumping it to 2x before, but decided it might be too powerful.
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