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Planar Vortex | Planar Shift https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=15031.msg191800#msg191800
« on: November 03, 2010, 12:59:49 am »
NAME:
Planar Vortex
ELEMENT:
Other
COST:
10
TYPE:
Spell
ATK|HP:
ABILITY:
Randomly change the position of all creatures in play.
NAME:
Planar Shift
ELEMENT:
Other
COST:
14
TYPE:
Spell
ATK|HP:
ABILITY:
Switches all creatures from one side of the board to the other.
ART:
Kuross
IDEA:
Kuross
NOTES:
- In the normal version, creature positions get mixed up randomly and it is possible for some creatures to be switched from one side to the other. However, I'd look for there to be an equal trade in any change of ownership of creatures. For instance, if I 8 creatures and my opponent has 8, and when I play this card, 2 of mine gets shuffled over to my opponent's side, I'll get an equal amount back, in this case 2.

- In the upped version, creatures in the field of play are switched to the other side, regardless of how many creatures each players controls at the time.
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Re: Planar Vortex | Planar Shift https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=15031.msg191802#msg191802
« Reply #1 on: November 03, 2010, 01:00:16 am »
Starting slow and working my way up or out, depending on how you look at it ;)

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Re: Planar Vortex | Planar Shift https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=15031.msg191804#msg191804
« Reply #2 on: November 03, 2010, 01:02:15 am »
i kinda like the unupped (mostly due to when they stay on the same side, would be a nice synergy with flood), but it seems like an entropy spell in a way?  but i see where the theme came from.

but as for the upped, it is too powerful, you could stall with shields and then use this to essentially TU all of their creatures before killing their versions.
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Re: Planar Vortex | Planar Shift https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=15031.msg191843#msg191843
« Reply #3 on: November 03, 2010, 01:32:49 am »
Could be unupped for entropy and upped for aether :-\

Good idea, I like it!

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Re: Planar Vortex | Planar Shift https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=15031.msg191856#msg191856
« Reply #4 on: November 03, 2010, 01:55:59 am »
I actually suggested something very similar a long time ago. It looked something like this:

Turmoil \ Anarchy
Spell, 5 :entropy\ 4 :entropy
To play this card you must have at least 2 targetable creatures on your side of the field. When this card is played, all targetable creatures on both player fields are shifted to another random field position on either side of the battlefield.

It is obviously a little wordy, but meh, the concept is there.

I took down the idea a long time ago though, good to know it's still being tossed around. C:
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Re: Planar Vortex | Planar Shift https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=15031.msg191869#msg191869
« Reply #5 on: November 03, 2010, 02:07:29 am »
Sorry Hy, I didn't see the card when posting else I may have chatted with ya first ;)

Yeah, I can see entropy being a nice home for this card, but I think an argument can be made for Aether as well. I have no issue switching the Element if enough peeps feel it's better in Entropy.

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Re: Planar Vortex | Planar Shift https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=15031.msg191876#msg191876
« Reply #6 on: November 03, 2010, 02:14:54 am »
this card, + aflo+skull shield= a NEW KIND OF DENIAL
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Re: Planar Vortex | Planar Shift https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=15031.msg191883#msg191883
« Reply #7 on: November 03, 2010, 02:23:02 am »
This isn't just CC, it's CS (creature stealing). Pretty evil.
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Re: Planar Vortex | Planar Shift https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=15031.msg191935#msg191935
« Reply #8 on: November 03, 2010, 03:31:28 am »
High cost, but I think it will work quite okay :P : Flooding + This.

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Re: Planar Vortex | Planar Shift https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=15031.msg191938#msg191938
« Reply #9 on: November 03, 2010, 03:33:20 am »
I wasn't sure how high of a cost something like would need, so I started high and left it up to you guys for discussion ;)

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Re: Planar Vortex | Planar Shift https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=15031.msg191953#msg191953
« Reply #10 on: November 03, 2010, 03:50:22 am »
I'm pretty sure this is an effect you couldn't give a reasonable cost to.

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Re: Planar Vortex | Planar Shift https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=15031.msg192093#msg192093
« Reply #11 on: November 03, 2010, 08:40:55 am »
I think the upped is a bit too strong.  Maybe if it randomly shuffled creatures to your benefit, instead of an outright exchange.

The exchange idea is nice, but, building a deck around this, it would be too easy to abuse.

I think it fits best in aether.  It's not like every card that does something randomly is entropy and can be seen nowhere else.  I'm not sure where that line of thinking comes from.

But all all out switch, way too easy to flood your field with malignant cells (or just play nothing), then, when the time is right, swap creatures and end up with the field they have been building all game, leaving them either locked with 1/1 creatures, or with just nothing.

Maybe if the first were to randomly swap creature positions, while the upped were to randomly move creatures?  The first would then make for a 100% fair exchange, and the second would, in theory, cause a 50/50 spread on the creatures in play, so not allow anything quite as extreme as a flat out exchange.

I don't know how the current mechanics of the game would work in practice with reassigning spots randomly.  For the ideal situation, it would have to act as if it picked up all the cards and reassigned them places one by one onto an empty field.  Otherwise, a field with lots of creatures could really skew the position assignments, which may actually not be a bad thing, either.

 

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