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Phantasmal Spirit | Phantasmal Spirit https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29891.msg380377#msg380377
« on: August 15, 2011, 02:26:39 am »
NAME:
Phantasmal Spirit
ELEMENT:
Aether
COST:
5 :aether
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
8|5
TEXT:
Illusion: When Phantasmal Spirit becomes the target of a spell or ability, sacrifice it.
NAME:
Phantasmal Spirit
ELEMENT:
Aether
COST:
5 :aether
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
10|5
TEXT:
Illusion: When Phantasmal Spirit becomes the target of a spell or ability, sacrifice it.
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NOTES:
A mid-attacker for Aether that's more cost-effective than Immortal.

Aether is an element that can often incorporate the mind and mental abilities into its cards (Mindgate, Silence, etc.), so illusions would be a great fit. This one has the drawback of dissipating when it's targeted by anything, in exchange for the advantage of being more aggressively-costed. This drawback also removes the obvious synergy with Parallel Universe (which was what caused Zanz to make Phase Dragon immortal in the first place), while the fact that the Illusion ability activates before the targeting ability removes the temptation to Fractal it.

Illusion is a passive ability, and therefore can't be lobotomized. By "target," this refers to any action that opens up the targeting menu (with the crosshairs on the legal targets). If the spell/ability is used to target Phantasmal Spirit, then Illusion activates and the card self-destructs. Yes, this means that even a Holy Light will get rid of it.

Illusion will activate before the targeting ability resolves. Mass-targeting cards will not destroy the Phantasm outright and will affect the creature normally (e.g. Rain of Fire will only do 3 damage to it instead of activating the Illusion ability).
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Re: Phantasmal Spirit | Phantasmal Spirit https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29891.msg380380#msg380380
« Reply #1 on: August 15, 2011, 02:42:31 am »
Took a minute for the image to load, for some reason, so I read your comments prior to seeing the card and my very first thought was "Great, something for :aether to pair with PU to rush with."  Obviously, this "problem" is taken care of.  In you comments, you note that people would be dissuaded from Fractal-ing it, but wouldn't targeting it with Fractal kill it, making it un-Fractalable?
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Re: Phantasmal Spirit | Phantasmal Spirit https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29891.msg380383#msg380383
« Reply #2 on: August 15, 2011, 02:45:32 am »
Mhmm...

With the most measly resilience in the game, this card deserves to cost less.

I would make it cost 5, maybe even 4.

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Re: Phantasmal Spirit | Phantasmal Spirit https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29891.msg380385#msg380385
« Reply #3 on: August 15, 2011, 02:50:35 am »
Ahem. Lobo would kill it, right? Since lobo is an ability, and it dies when it meets any ability. Though I'm not sure how it dies due to quintessence, thematically. :)
I do have a question, though- how would aflatoxin work?

@EvaRia, 5 quanta for 7 attack, and mass CC doesn't work. Compare that to GoTP.
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Re: Phantasmal Spirit | Phantasmal Spirit https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29891.msg380386#msg380386
« Reply #4 on: August 15, 2011, 02:52:25 am »
GoTP at least as health, which you can increase, or you can quint it if you want to go that route.

This dies to basically everything in the game. Seriously everything.

We can compare resilience levels if you want.

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Re: Phantasmal Spirit | Phantasmal Spirit https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29891.msg380388#msg380388
« Reply #5 on: August 15, 2011, 02:53:55 am »
Took a minute for the image to load, for some reason, so I read your comments prior to seeing the card and my very first thought was "Great, something for :aether to pair with PU to rush with."  Obviously, this "problem" is taken care of.  In you comments, you note that people would be dissuaded from Fractal-ing it, but wouldn't targeting it with Fractal kill it, making it un-Fractalable?
Oh right x)

Updated the Notes section with correct Fractal interaction (can't be Fractalled because Illusion activates before it).

Mhmm...

With the most measly resilience in the game, this card deserves to cost less.

I would make it cost 5, maybe even 4.
Actually, this combos quite well with Cloak, and a cost decrease might send it into OP territory.

As for changing the other parts of the card, I'm hesitant about increasing the attack. HP should probably just be at 5 to get it past Gravity Shield, but a little more HP to survive Fire Shield and Thorn Carapace would be nice too.

Unupped version is costed at 7 (7 ATK) + 1 (>5 HP) - 2 (Illusion) = 6

Not entirely sure on whether Illusion should be worth more of a cost decrease or not. Perhaps someone more experienced with Card Design will take a look at this.

Ahem. Lobo would kill it, right? Since lobo is an ability, and it dies when it meets any ability. Though I'm not sure how it dies due to quintessence, thematically. :)
I do have a question, though- how would aflatoxin work?

@EvaRia, 5 quanta for 7 attack, and mass CC doesn't work. Compare that to GoTP.
Anything that needs to select a target will activate Illusion with priority over the original spell/ability. So yes, Lobo would still kill it because it is a legal target (note that you can Lobo creatures without any active abilities normally anyway).

Thematically, it's an illusion -- it just kind of poofs away when an elemental tries to interact with it. Of course, it's material enough to hurt the opponent ;)
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Re: Phantasmal Spirit | Phantasmal Spirit https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29891.msg380394#msg380394
« Reply #6 on: August 15, 2011, 03:24:39 am »
Well, let's compare with GotP in terms of resilience, since they have similar stats.

Resilience is typically measured in Tiers based on what can kill it in one hit.

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Even then, these cards all have some situation behind it.

Chaos Seed is chanced.
Same goes for Mutation, Fallen Elf, Pandemonium, and Skull shield.

Unupped Oty needs a buff.

Gravity pull needs a creature (Although there almost always will be).

The 3 bolts need at least the second tier of quanta.

Flooding requires it to be outside the first row.

Scarab and Pharaoh require at least 5 scarabs out or a buff.

This leaves 11 cards that kill it unconditionally: Maxwell's Demon, Lightning, Shockwave, Rage Potion, Red Nymph both versions, as well as Elite Otyugh.

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Conditional cards:

Skull shield is chanced.
Otyugh/Scarab/Pharaoh need to have high enough HP.
Flooding requires it to be outside the first row.

Everything else will kill it instantly.

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Re: Phantasmal Spirit | Phantasmal Spirit https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29891.msg380397#msg380397
« Reply #7 on: August 15, 2011, 03:37:34 am »
Thematically I think its very cool :)

Mechanically, it is quite a big disadvantage, as EvaRia is showing well.

similar to http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,20493.0.html

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Re: Phantasmal Spirit | Phantasmal Spirit https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29891.msg380398#msg380398
« Reply #8 on: August 15, 2011, 03:44:08 am »
Change to 8|5 for 5 :aether (unupped) and 10|5 for 5 :aether (upped)?

Card cost: 8 (8 ATK) - 3 (Illusion) = 5

(Ditched the +1 HP because it's mostly rather useless and gave it +1 ATK instead.)

Illusion might be enough of a drawback to warrant a -4 :\
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Re: Phantasmal Spirit | Phantasmal Spirit https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29891.msg380405#msg380405
« Reply #9 on: August 15, 2011, 04:01:58 am »
Hmm...

Seems a tiny bit on the powerful side, but might be fair.

Unupped seems okay, but upped you might wanna make 6 for 10 or 5 for 9, +5 is a lot of attack bonus.

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Re: Phantasmal Spirit | Phantasmal Spirit https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29891.msg380409#msg380409
« Reply #10 on: August 15, 2011, 04:12:23 am »
Hmm...

Seems a tiny bit on the powerful side, but might be fair.

Unupped seems okay, but upped you might wanna make 6 for 10 or 5 for 9, +5 is a lot of attack bonus.
Illusion is worth at least +3, and an upgrade is a solid +2 (see Giant Frog (+2), Elite Charger (+3), Flesh Recluse (+3), etc.), so a +5 is pretty fair for the upped version.
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Re: Phantasmal Spirit | Phantasmal Spirit https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29891.msg380410#msg380410
« Reply #11 on: August 15, 2011, 04:30:00 am »
Newbie: Hmm, incredibly weak? No problem! I'll just Quint it!
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