Ohmegas Phoenix. Reworked.

[Lanidrak]

Card art by vrt
Original Card idea and stats by Ohmega.



Firstly, this entire concept is the brainchild of Ohmega. I simply want to make some discussion on some changes, which I personally think, will make this card more useful to a Fire player.

Firstly, the ability Rebirth.

From the Ashes: Cost 2 Darkness (or Death or Life). The Phoenix is reborn as a 5/1 Phoenix without Rebirth/Immolation.

Secondly, Immolation.

Born of Fire: When Phoenix dies, it adds 7 Fire Quanta to your pool.


This way, you play a 10 Fire Quanta card, which is a threat to your opponent with 5 offense. But can be even more of a threat if the player has to destroy it, as it gives you 7 Fire Quanta. If you have the extra 2 quanta (of an undecided type so far) the Phoenix is reborn and comes back as a 5/1 creature without the Rebirth ability. I guess giving it a second Immolation ability in its reborn form will be overpowered. However, you can still cast Immolation on the creature to get extra quanta.

Discuss please

[bobcamel]

Naah. It is meant to be endless, this Phoenix. I'd rather buff it all around, 10  for a 5 attack creature is not a good deal, especially that the rebirth is costly as well.

[Ohmega]

First my name is Ohmega. This nickname is a combination of my (last?)name Ohm and the letter Omega which is the sign for Ohm in the physics.
So Ohm + Omega = Ohmega

Second. This is only an idea. The Qunta cost is not fixed. The upgrade should have 7 attack with same cost.
The idea was that you have a creature that is hardly removeable from the field. When you kill it it rebirths. Your only chanche to destroy it is, drain your opponents quata and kill the creature or rewind it. So the first summon price has to be high.
The rebirth price can be lowed to 2 or 3 quanta.

So maybe it could be 12 Quanta first summon and 2 Quanta rebirth. And rebithed only one defence.

[Lanidrak]

Yeah, I get that you wanted to create a creature that is near-impossible to remove from the table once in play. But Quintessence is a much cheaper way of doing that. Eg. Phase Dragon already does what the Phoenix does except it doesn't drain your quanta (it cannot be killed/targetted).

Creatures are specifically designed to be difficult to remove once in play (can't remember who said that, or whether it was a general consensus from threads on the Ideas board). But it is a view I quite like.

At 5/7 for the card and 7/7 for the upgraded version, it would still take 1 to 4 Icebolts/Firebolts (depending on Quanta) or 1 Lighting Bolt and another creature control nuke. Players will understand that if they kill it, it will just comeback, albeit a lot easier to destroy in future.  So in PvP players simply won't target it. Or they would Rewind it / use Eternity on it making you recast the original 10 or 12  to put it back into play - as well as forcing you to redraw it/stifling your card advantage.

For me, Fire is a particularly interesting Element since it is based purely around offense and quick obliteration of your opponent. I particularly like the way two cards, Firebolt and Fahrenheit both do increasingly more damage, for the more Quanta you have in play. Immolation, so far, is the only card which boosts your Quanta by a lot - of course, sacrificing a creature in the process. Novas and Supernovas are the only similar alternative and they only give +1 / +2 to all Quanta respectively, making them valuable to Rainbow decks specifically.

Therefore I think if Phoenix (or other Fire creatures) were to have an on-death immolation effect, we would see Fire being a much more dangerous element (although, I'm not sure people want to see that, as it is already pretty dangerous!)

[Ohmega]

Phase Dragon is killable by Fireshields.
 
rewinding the card is supossed to be the only way to get rid of this card. That's why the cast cost is so high.
Maybe teh effect could be changed like this:
When the Phoenix was killed pay 2 firequanta to rebirth it. Its defence will be set to one. Everytime Phoenix was reborn it gains +1/+0

The gramma probably isn't right^^

[Terroking]

If i saw a pheonix vs. me, I'd simply ignore it unless I had eternity out, no real reason to kill it unless it wouldn't be reborn, it'll just come back stronger, immolation on this, a very good idea.

Also, even using the upped version;

Have 12 fire quanta
Summon Pheonix
Cremate
Have 7 quanta and 8/1 creature
Cremate
Have 14  quanta and a 9/1 creature

So for 3 cards you can get a 9/1 creature and 2 quanta, Still betterthan a ruby as your opponent will not want to control it, but not by much.

[Daxx]

You can presumably get rid of this by consistently killing it until the other guy runs out of fire quanta, much like a dissipation shield.

[Lanidrak]

You can presumably get rid of this by consistently killing it until the other guy runs out of fire quanta, much like a dissipation shield.

Which is why I suggested changes be made to the card .

On death it should act as though you had played Immolation on it (+7 Fire Quanta)

Secondly, if you have the death or life quanta available it will be reborn as a 5/1 creature. The Reborn Phoenix does not have the Immolation effect (or maybe a lesser variant of it) and it cannot be reborn again (or maybe it can be reborn again but each time has less stats until it is a 1/1 then it cannot be reborn).

This will work extremely well in a Death/Fire Deck. Vultures have Scavenger and the Phoenix can technically die (as it is now, infinite times) or as my alterations make it (2 to 5 times). This can work an enormous advantage to your Vultures, while giving you Fire Quanta. Just an idea

[Ohmega]

Not make it need deah quanta.
Wahts about it reborns if you have a death mark.
When it dies it sporns a Monster called Phonix, that have one hp. Wehn Phoenix dies it also give you 5 .
When this new Phoenix dies it will resporn if you have death mark and will give you  equal to the damage it took.