Mycelium | Mycelia

[Rutarete]

Does the unupped heal hp or increase max? Or both?

[artimies7]

Sorry I'm late. It seems the general consensus is that this card is OP. True?

So then perhaps it might give some other bonus to creatures other than just +stats.
Discuss.

[jawdirk]

You could make it creatures with more than 1 hp gain +1|2.

[OldTrees]

Have the hp gain trigger on the permanent's turn after it tries to drain quanta.
This means creatures must survive their first player turn (not creature turn) before they get the benefit.

[artimies7]

Have the hp gain trigger on the permanent's turn after it tries to drain quanta.
This means creatures must survive their first player turn (not creature turn) before they get the benefit.

I get what you're saying, but would this require new text in the card or just a bit in the extras text box in the table?

[OldTrees]

Have the hp gain trigger on the permanent's turn after it tries to drain quanta.
This means creatures must survive their first player turn (not creature turn) before they get the benefit.

I get what you're saying, but would this require new text in the card or just a bit in the extras text box in the table?

Nothing new needed. However "Mycelium gives each creature on your field 2 HP per turn. Drain  each turn." would be an improvement.

[artimies7]

Have the hp gain trigger on the permanent's turn after it tries to drain quanta.
This means creatures must survive their first player turn (not creature turn) before they get the benefit.

I get what you're saying, but would this require new text in the card or just a bit in the extras text box in the table?

Nothing new needed. However "Mycelium gives each creature on your field 2 HP per turn. Drain  each turn." would be an improvement.

As in one permanent buff or a buff a turn?

EDIT: Oh yeah, one-thousandth post!

[OdinVanguard]

If it drained  per creature given +1|+1 that should keep it from being OP as a stackable I think. Even fractal spark might be ok then, since you would be paying to keep each one alive.

... Could make for an interesting deck idea actually: Mito-fracta Ball Lightnings

[artimies7]

If it drained  per creature given +1|+1 that should keep it from being OP as a stackable I think. Even fractal spark might be ok then, since you would be paying to keep each one alive.

Tentatively considering this with the +2 HP. OT, is this an acceptable/better replacement for what you've suggested?

[OldTrees]

Have the hp gain trigger on the permanent's turn after it tries to drain quanta.
This means creatures must survive their first player turn (not creature turn) before they get the benefit.

I get what you're saying, but would this require new text in the card or just a bit in the extras text box in the table?

Nothing new needed. However "Mycelium gives each creature on your field 2 HP per turn. Drain  each turn." would be an improvement.

As in one permanent buff or a buff a turn?

EDIT: Oh yeah, one-thousandth post!

"per turn" would be a buff per turn. Remove the "per turn" if you want a renewed one time buff. (I am unsure which you are intending)

Be careful not to underestimate the absorb cost.  per +2hp is not worth it.

[artimies7]

Spoiler for not double posting anymore:

Spoiler for Hidden:

Have the hp gain trigger on the permanent's turn after it tries to drain quanta.
This means creatures must survive their first player turn (not creature turn) before they get the benefit.

I get what you're saying, but would this require new text in the card or just a bit in the extras text box in the table?

Nothing new needed. However "Mycelium gives each creature on your field 2 HP per turn. Drain  each turn." would be an improvement.

As in one permanent buff or a buff a turn?

EDIT: Oh yeah, one-thousandth post!

"per turn" would be a buff per turn. Remove the "per turn" if you want a renewed one time buff. (I am unsure which you are intending)

Be careful not to underestimate the absorb cost.  per +2hp is not worth it.

Ok, wordings cleared. I intended for a one time buff, but that may not work, as you said.
But on the other hand, if you have eight creatures on your field,  per turn for buffing your entire field is somewhat cheap in comparison to, say, momentum.

Wait, I gotta math.

Spoiler for math:

Nightfall | Eclipse: 3 | 4 
+ 1 | 1 || 2 | 1

Mycelium | Mycelia: 3 | 2
+ 2 hp (single use)
1  drain

Momentum | Overdrive : 2 | 1 
+ 1 | 1
Ignores shields.

It does seem a bit underpowered.
So this card could potentially be boosted in one of four ways as I see it.
- Just make the buff in question a vulnerable extended stacking buff. (Adds +2hp || +1 | 1 per turn, but all of its buffs are removed if all of your copies of Mycelium are destroyed.)
- Lower casting cost.
- Greater HP buff/extended healing.
- Stackability. (Would probably require some additional modifications; see OdinVanguard's post that I quoted.)

Updated. Going to post in the crucible tomorrow if nobody has any more major objections.