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Re: Mother Bear | Mother Bear https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40504.msg502094#msg502094
« Reply #12 on: May 22, 2012, 12:41:53 am »
I suggest making it only be for when the opponent kills your creature.

Oh yeah, time-bows could get mileage out of this. (oty + boneyard)

Honestly don't think it makes it OP though.

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Re: Mother Bear | Mother Bear https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40504.msg502130#msg502130
« Reply #13 on: May 22, 2012, 02:45:21 am »
U~n, Killing your own creatures would cost two cards AND force a duo.
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Re: Mother Bear | Mother Bear https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40504.msg502131#msg502131
« Reply #14 on: May 22, 2012, 02:48:39 am »
Because it's so hard to add Sparks to a deck.

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Re: Mother Bear | Mother Bear https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40504.msg502133#msg502133
« Reply #15 on: May 22, 2012, 02:51:07 am »
Because it's so hard to add Sparks to a deck.

I'm talking 'bout OTL's definition of "killing" i.e. Reducing your card's HP to 0 or less.
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Re: Mother Bear | Mother Bear https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40504.msg502161#msg502161
« Reply #16 on: May 22, 2012, 04:20:23 am »
Because it's so hard to add Sparks to a deck.

Read the card text and the notes again. A kill (by my definition)!= a death

But now that I think of it, my solution is really inelegant and doesn't open up that many possibilities anyway, so I'll just simply change it such that only kills by your opponent count

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Re: Mother Bear | Mother Bear https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40504.msg502204#msg502204
« Reply #17 on: May 22, 2012, 09:23:37 am »
Makes much more sense now. But now maybe slightly situational?
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Re: Mother Bear | Mother Bear https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40504.msg502226#msg502226
« Reply #18 on: May 22, 2012, 10:58:30 am »
This plus adredaline (and also because both are life cards): :O Will it attack more than 4 times?
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Re: Mother Bear | Mother Bear https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40504.msg502239#msg502239
« Reply #19 on: May 22, 2012, 12:20:31 pm »
this + adrenaline... maybe I could make it such that the extra attacks the bear makes does not come under adrenaline, so a bear with 6 extra attacks would hit for 753777777 instead of an OTKO

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Re: Mother Bear | Mother Bear https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40504.msg502262#msg502262
« Reply #20 on: May 22, 2012, 02:04:05 pm »
I love this card's idea, it fits the Life element extremely well and the extra attacks also fits with Life abilities. However, since this is supposed to be used as CC in mono-Life or Life duo decks, I suggest the following change:
"This card attacks 1 extra time for every  :life creature that died this turn."
 I believe it makes more sence this way and it prevents the OP usage with Sparks. As for the effect, it will be passive, it lasts until the end of turn and it is triggered every time a  :life creature's death effects are triggered.
 Adrenaline won't help with Mother Bear's ability, since it won't attack 4x times per killed life creature, but it will attack 4x times (Adrenaline's buff) plus one more time per killed life creature.
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Re: Mother Bear | Mother Bear https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40504.msg502298#msg502298
« Reply #21 on: May 22, 2012, 03:50:42 pm »
ARTHANASIOS: I dunno, restricting it to life creatures seems too narrow. Can you provide a gamebreaking example to argue?

Oh and if you haven't noticed, I have changed the effect such that your opponent has to kill the creatures for the extra attacks to kick in (so the spark combo is no longer possible) and clarified this card's interactions with adrenaline.

I'm keeping the ability active, since I feel this card is already slightly on the strong side, so making it loboable should be enough to balance that. I could be very wrong about this though.

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Re: Mother Bear | Mother Bear https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40504.msg502510#msg502510
« Reply #22 on: May 23, 2012, 02:07:06 am »
only activated by openents killing creatures makes it situational enough that i think the ability should be passive.

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Re: Mother Bear | Mother Bear https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40504.msg502548#msg502548
« Reply #23 on: May 23, 2012, 02:35:07 am »
Couldn't this make for a possibly OP combo w/ ball lightnings?

18 Life towers
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Wouldn't make for too bad a deck.

Wouldn't the deaths not stack here, since the opponent didn't kill the creature?  Ball lightnings die without the opponent's help.
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