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Title: Monsoon | Hurricane
Post by: ZephyrPhantom on August 15, 2012, 06:33:59 pm

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NAME: Monsoon ELEMENT: Water COST: 3 :water TYPE: Spell ATK|HP: TEXT: You do not gain quanta for 2 turns. Target stack is delayed for 3 turns.	NAME: Hurricane ELEMENT: Water COST: 3 :water TYPE: Spell ATK|HP: TEXT: You do not gain quanta for 2 turns. Target permanent or stack is delayed for 3 turns.

ART: The Great Wave off Kanagawa (Wikimedia Commons) (http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:The_Great_Wave_off_Kanagawa.jpg) IDEA: Zblader NOTES: Today is a day to go with the ebb and flow of things. Take care not to get knocked over by the tide, though. PC for Water, at a cost that prevents you from gaining a major lead over a mono or chaining it too easily with Supernova. "Stack" refers to any card that stacks, such as Shard of Gratitude, Pillars, or Bonewall. Delayed permanents simply do not function until delay ends. Delayed stacks negate the entire stack (hence why you also suffer a quanta penalty, in case you decide to target an opponent's pillar stack.) Like with Ice Bolt and Freeze + Voodoo Doll, playing a weapon/shield over a delayed weapon/shield does not remove the delay. Sanctuary does not negate Tsunami or Monsoon's effects on you. SERIES:

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NAME: Tsunami ELEMENT: Water COST: 3 :water TYPE: Spell ATK|HP: TEXT: You do not gain quanta for 3 turns. Target stack is delayed for 3 turns.	NAME: Monsoon ELEMENT: Water COST: 3 :water TYPE: Spell ATK|HP: TEXT: You do not gain quanta for 3 turns. Target permanent is delayed for 3 turns.

ART: The Great Wave off Kanagawa (Wikimedia Commons) (http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:The_Great_Wave_off_Kanagawa.jpg) IDEA: Zblader NOTES: Today is a day to go with the ebb and flow of things. Take care not to get knocked over by the tide, though. PC for Water, at a cost that prevents you from gaining a major lead over a mono or chaining it too easily with Supernova. "Stack" refers to any card that stacks, such as Shard of Gratitude, Pillars, or Bonewall. Delayed permanents simply do not function until delay ends. Delayed stacks negate the entire stack (hence why you also suffer a quanta penalty, in case you decide to target an opponent's pillar stack.) Like with Ice Bolt and Freeze + Voodoo Doll, playing a weapon/shield over a delayed weapon/shield does not remove the delay. Sanctuary does not negate Tsunami or Monsoon's effects on you. SERIES:

Title: Re: Tsunami | Monsoon
Post by: Atom_heart on August 15, 2012, 06:57:52 pm

Nice card! Very useful.
Could the 3 turn punishment on yourself be a bit too much? I have no solid argument... it's just a feel. Maybe 2 turns for you and 3 for the opponent?

Title: Re: Tsunami | Monsoon
Post by: ZephyrPhantom on August 15, 2012, 07:08:05 pm

Quote from: Atom_heart on August 15, 2012, 06:57:52 pm

Nice card! Very useful.
Could the 3 turn punishment on yourself be a bit too much? I have no solid argument... it's just a feel. Maybe 2 turns for you and 3 for the opponent?

I have my doubts about lowering the 3-turn quantum punishment - in a mono environment where you can shut down your enemy's quantum production for 3 turns (barring pendulums) an extra turn of quantum production for yourself is very useful as you can play at least one more card, and at most you might get the opportunity to play your entire hand quicker than your opponent will. Given that this card is also a low-cost PC that functions like Earthquake or Explosion (possibly better in some cases - this card beats Earthquake if chained on a pillar stack of 4 or more, and beats Explosion in the fact that your opponent can't play a new weapon over a delayed one), I don't really want to make chaining it that easy.

Title: Re: Tsunami | Monsoon
Post by: Atom_heart on August 15, 2012, 07:29:29 pm

Quote from: Zblader on August 15, 2012, 07:08:05 pm

Quote from: Atom_heart on August 15, 2012, 06:57:52 pm

Nice card! Very useful.
Could the 3 turn punishment on yourself be a bit too much? I have no solid argument... it's just a feel. Maybe 2 turns for you and 3 for the opponent?

I have my doubts about lowering the 3-turn quantum punishment - in a mono environment where you can shut down your enemy's quantum production for 3 turns (barring pendulums) an extra turn of quantum production for yourself is very useful as you can play at least one more card, and at most you might get the opportunity to play your entire hand quicker than your opponent will. Given that this card is also a low-cost PC that functions like Earthquake or Explosion (possibly better in some cases - this card beats Earthquake if chained on a pillar stack of 4 or more, and beats Explosion in the fact that your opponent can't play a new weapon over a delayed one), I don't really want to make chaining it that easy.

Maybe you're right. If only we were able to test it... :)
On a different note: this card would be really really good coupled with Shard of patience!

Title: Re: Tsunami | Monsoon
Post by: AnnaMall on August 15, 2012, 09:21:19 pm

From what I understand casting this prevents you from any quanta production(irrelevant of split), but your opponent gets some quanta from split(target one stack only).
Also it is very penalizing if used to block a weapon/perm other than Q producers.
Suggestion: target what to block and your mirror position perm gets the block too. Still meh but something to consider
As a denial fan I like the idea alot, but the penalty for using it seems a bit harsh.

Title: Re: Tsunami | Monsoon
Post by: OdinVanguard on August 15, 2012, 09:54:59 pm

Its got potential, but completely shutting off your quanta production is pretty heavy...
Although (shameless plug warning) if the "Blood"  series takes off, it would provide a way around this...
(Blood Pillar: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,42779.0.html)

Title: Re: Tsunami | Monsoon
Post by: Absol on August 15, 2012, 11:56:34 pm

Just a suggestion. Monsoon is a natural phenomenon about blowing wind or such. Tsunami is destructive disaster.
Tsunami > monsoon
You might want to swap the name.

Title: Re: Tsunami | Monsoon
Post by: AnonymousRevival on August 16, 2012, 02:12:11 am

Quote from: Absol on August 15, 2012, 11:56:34 pm

Just a suggestion. Monsoon is a natural phenomenon about blowing wind or such. Tsunami is destructive disaster.
Tsunami > monsoon
You might want to swap the name.

Yeah, Monsoon is heavy rain, Tsunami is the aftermath of an underwater earthquake.

Title: Re: Tsunami | Monsoon
Post by: OdinVanguard on August 16, 2012, 02:57:18 am

Speaking of which... isn't tsunami the name of the Trident card's ability?

Title: Re: Tsunami | Monsoon
Post by: AnonymousRevival on August 16, 2012, 03:19:18 am

Quote from: OdinVanguard on August 16, 2012, 02:57:18 am

Speaking of which... isn't tsunami the name of the Trident card's ability?

Oh yeah *derpface*.

Title: Re: Monsoon | Hurricane
Post by: ZephyrPhantom on August 16, 2012, 05:59:39 pm

Card Updated:
Name Changed.
Quanta Penalty Turns lowered from 3 to 2. (In consideration that your disadvantage is harsher and most monos will use a pillar/pendulum split)
Clarified the upgraded card's wording a bit.

Title: Re: Monsoon | Hurricane
Post by: OdinVanguard on August 16, 2012, 06:03:20 pm

Odd question... What happens to bonewall? It is a stack after all.
I.e. does the delay prevent it from losing counters as well or does it just stop the damage prevention?

Title: Re: Monsoon | Hurricane
Post by: ZephyrPhantom on August 16, 2012, 06:13:58 pm

Quote from: OdinVanguard on August 16, 2012, 06:03:20 pm

Odd question... What happens to bonewall? It is a stack after all.
I.e. does the delay prevent it from losing counters as well or does it just stop the damage prevention?

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Delayed permanents simply do not function until delay ends.

Bonewall does not lose/gain stacks. It cannot block damage either.
Similarly, Wings and Phase Shield cannot lose/gain time counters but cannot block damage.

Title: Re: Monsoon | Hurricane
Post by: furballdn on August 18, 2012, 10:39:49 pm

Hm, seems interesting, but something tells me that it's a bit UP. The PC it grants comes at a huge cost and even by disabling all your opponent's towers, you're more disabled (assuming they have pends).

Title: Re: Monsoon | Hurricane
Post by: Dhanzig on August 18, 2012, 11:02:03 pm

This is interesting but I think one turn without quantum is more than enough!  I was thinking of a (kind of) similar idea for Entropy, where a stack of Pendulums becomes Pillars (of the side that is showing) or Quantum pillars / towers becoming a stack of a random pillar / tower.  However, trying to word the card made me abandon it! 

Title: Re: Monsoon | Hurricane
Post by: DaHumanitarian on August 20, 2012, 04:38:13 am

What happens if you use 2 monsoons in one turn? Do you get 4 turns of quanta denial or just 2?

Title: Re: Monsoon | Hurricane
Post by: ZephyrPhantom on August 20, 2012, 05:54:35 pm

Quote from: DaHumanitarian on August 20, 2012, 04:38:13 am

What happens if you use 2 monsoons in one turn? Do you get 4 turns of quanta denial or just 2?

Only 2.

Title: Re: Monsoon | Hurricane
Post by: AnonymousRevival on August 21, 2012, 02:23:50 am

Would an :aether pillar be a different stack from an  :aether tower?

Also, it seems kind of weird how a heavy rain would retain the card art of a tsunami.

Title: Re: Monsoon | Hurricane
Post by: ZephyrPhantom on August 21, 2012, 02:46:17 am

Quote from: AnonymousRevival on August 21, 2012, 02:23:50 am

Would an :aether pillar be a different stack from an  :aether tower? Yes.

Also, it seems kind of weird how a heavy rain would retain the card art of a tsunami.