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« on: October 15, 2012, 07:19:36 am »
NAME:
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COST:
4 :light
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
2 | 2
TEXT:
:fire :fire : Cauterize
Reduce target's maximum health by two and remove all poison.
NAME:
Paean
ELEMENT:
Light
COST:
4 :light
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
3 | 3
TEXT:
:fire :fire : Cauterize
Reduce target's maximum health by two and remove all poison.

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Paean is Greek for Healer and was a title bestowed upon Apollo and his son Asclepius.  This connection to Apollo, one of many sun gods, and the sense of cleansing justifies placement in :light while the nature of the ability justifies :fire.

Cauterize can target players and removes all poison.
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Re: Paean | Paean https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44100.msg1008028#msg1008028
« Reply #1 on: October 15, 2012, 07:27:26 am »
What role does this fill in Light?  Why would cauterizing remove poison?  Why have another purify instead of a softer counter? 

What's the point of this card?  It seems needlessly specialized.

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Re: Paean | Paean https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44100.msg1008030#msg1008030
« Reply #2 on: October 15, 2012, 07:32:11 am »
What role does this fill in Light?  Why would cauterizing remove poison?  Why have another purify instead of a softer counter? 

What's the point of this card?  It seems needlessly specialized.
It is only in :light for thematic reasons.  Where else would one put a healing creature whose name is loosely associated with a sun god of sorts?

Cauterization is the burning of a substance, usually flesh, in order to sterilize it.  The idea here is that it is infected flesh that is being burned and sterilized.

You also seem to be neglecting to acknowledge the fact that maximum health will also be reduced.  Means no healing back the damage taken.

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Re: Paean | Paean https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44100.msg1008032#msg1008032
« Reply #3 on: October 15, 2012, 07:38:42 am »
What role does this fill in Light?  Why would cauterizing remove poison?  Why have another purify instead of a softer counter? 

What's the point of this card?  It seems needlessly specialized.
It is only in :light for thematic reasons.  Where else would one put a healing creature whose name is loosely associated with a sun god of sorts?

Cauterization is the burning of a substance, usually flesh, in order to sterilize it.  The idea here is that it is infected flesh that is being burned and sterilized.

You also seem to be neglecting to acknowledge the fact that maximum health will also be reduced.  Means no healing back the damage taken.

1)It does not heal.  Therefore Fire is a possible option.

2) Would make sense for an infected wound, not so much for poison.

3) It's not an important cost.  2 maximum health to a player will almost never matter in a game.  You can still heal back most of the poison damage you take anyways.


All in all this seems like a useless card.  Underwhelming as a hitter with an incredibly specific ability. 

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Re: Paean | Paean https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44100.msg1008035#msg1008035
« Reply #4 on: October 15, 2012, 07:47:17 am »
1) Sorry, I had meant the name and kind of meant the Purifying effect to be "soft" healing.  But yes, mechanics only, this could be in Fire as well.

2) I'm approaching the poison as more of an effect of the infected tissue of a wound, so getting rid of the poisoned flesh gets rid of the poison. 

3) Okay, I'll admit that to a player, it is near useless unless you do it in bulk, but that's expensive and not needed.  But it also acts as reusable CC that cannot be healed.

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Re: Paean | Paean https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44100.msg1015656#msg1015656
« Reply #5 on: November 14, 2012, 10:02:38 pm »
I suppose a small stat boost wouldn't hurt. Can this kill a creature/player?
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Re: Paean | Paean https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44100.msg1015692#msg1015692
« Reply #6 on: November 15, 2012, 12:42:27 am »
I suppose a small stat boost wouldn't hurt. Can this kill a creature/player?

Well, SoV can't kill, so I'll say no.

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Re: Paean | Paean https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44100.msg1015809#msg1015809
« Reply #7 on: November 15, 2012, 02:27:09 pm »
6 of these is -12 max hp per turn to a player. These can easily gang up and do some damage. this is an effective card, with potential for offensive ability. Almost as strong as a Snipe Ability.

Consider 4 Peaen and 4 SoV. We will say Light Mark.

-8 and -8 Maxp HP is -16 Max HP per turn. x2 turns is 32 HP, almost a third of the base HP.

Add in the damage 8(12 upped), this can lead a nice barrage of attacks. Couple with Dragons or Seraphs and you have a decent Light deck with indirect damage. This is more powerful than it first appears.

However, if it only works on Creatures, it is much weaker.

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Re: Paean | Paean https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44100.msg1015818#msg1015818
« Reply #8 on: November 15, 2012, 03:41:48 pm »
6 of these is -12 max hp per turn to a player. These can easily gang up and do some damage. this is an effective card, with potential for offensive ability. Almost as strong as a Snipe Ability.

Consider 4 Peaen and 4 SoV. We will say Light Mark.

-8 and -8 Maxp HP is -16 Max HP per turn. x2 turns is 32 HP, almost a third of the base HP.

Add in the damage 8(12 upped), this can lead a nice barrage of attacks. Couple with Dragons or Seraphs and you have a decent Light deck with indirect damage. This is more powerful than it first appears.

However, if it only works on Creatures, it is much weaker.

Nice idea, except you'll need 8 quanta per turn to constantly fuel 4 paeans. That's an 16 quanta upfront + 8 quanta a turn + 4 card slots for only 16 unhealable damage (note that max hp reduction does not deal any damage if player is below max hp). To compare, 13 quanta upfront can net me 15 attack (ruby dragon) and I only need 1 card slot for that

I see this as reusable CC, and I feel it's fairly costed, if not slightly underpowered this way. Comparing to owl's eye, this is duo activation, deals 1 less damage, and cannot outright kill creatures. In exchange, this is easier to get multiple out on the board and has situational uses in reducing max hp and removing poison. I'm not sure whether the latter balances the former

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Re: Paean | Paean https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44100.msg1016010#msg1016010
« Reply #9 on: November 16, 2012, 12:20:38 pm »
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