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would you like to see this card as a real Card Idea?

Sure. It sounds interesting
6 (37.5%)
Yes, but slightly differently (posting suggestions)
6 (37.5%)
Perhaps, greatly redone (posting suggestions)
1 (6.3%)
No
3 (18.8%)

Total Members Voted: 16

Voting closed: October 21, 2014, 10:34:31 am

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Re: Minwell's Angel | Minwell's Angel [Entropy] [Fun] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=56060.msg1160692#msg1160692
« Reply #12 on: October 16, 2014, 03:24:55 pm »
Does this inflict the damage when taking away HP and heal and add max health when giving HP? Brcaus I can see some uses with voodoos and photons

Did not intend it to count as damage inflicted, just changing the current and max health. Just like when Scarabs get their HP updated at the end of the turn

But of course it is an option that shall be investigated


Sorry if this is a stupid question, but what happens in cases of an uneven divide?

If there is a Scarab and three Arch Angels= 22/4=5 with 2 left over, what happens with the reminder?

Forgot to cover that one, haven't I? Well, as usual with uneven round outcomes, it would be rounded down, so the leftover would be a loss
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Re: Minwell's Angel | Minwell's Angel [Entropy] [Fun] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=56060.msg1160696#msg1160696
« Reply #13 on: October 16, 2014, 04:48:52 pm »
Why is this still in humour, if I can ask?

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Re: Minwell's Angel | Minwell's Angel [Entropy] [Fun] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=56060.msg1160703#msg1160703
« Reply #14 on: October 16, 2014, 06:29:12 pm »
Why is this still in humour, if I can ask?

Because I haven't asked anyone to move it to CIA yet

And the poll I set up was for 1 week. But the outcome seems quite obvious, so that will be closed

Updated OP with art and new text
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Re: Minwell's Angel | Minwell's Angel [Entropy] [Fun] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=56060.msg1160707#msg1160707
« Reply #15 on: October 16, 2014, 07:04:23 pm »
Good luck having it made. It look like fun.
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Re: Minwell's Angel | Minwell's Angel [Entropy] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=56060.msg1160736#msg1160736
« Reply #16 on: October 16, 2014, 11:32:12 pm »
Sorry, I don't want to see this card idea but I had to with the second option because their was no option saying "No. (Posting suggestions)" I don't want to see this card because I think its too complex. Heck, I don't even know how to make that symbol with my current keyboard and explaining it, in depth, could be hard to explain to a kid like someone in kong. The not being able to make that symbol also affects how effective I can be when someone asks what does it do. I also don't even know how to use that symbol in algebra. According to the notes its the opposite of maxwells demon. Well, if its 100% opposite, then its OP. Max wells demon is balanced because it can only really negate high attack opponents creature's from doing too much damage as repeatable CC and the drawback is its super expensive. This would allow you to get rid of most of the weaker creatures in the game that often are in total damage or ability effectiveness greater than the big creatures. It also has way too much synergy with max wells demon especially with this being an entropy card. It might fit in gravity mechanics cause OTY, but then most cases Oty>Minwells Angel. Thus Id rather just not see this card in the game. I would not cast my vote to be so condescending as the "no, it's stupid." But a simple "No." I would. Thus I think with how you set up the polls the polls arn't accurate, at least, for my vote anyway.
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Re: Minwell's Angel | Minwell's Angel [Entropy] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=56060.msg1160738#msg1160738
« Reply #17 on: October 16, 2014, 11:39:06 pm »
Looks like a pointless card to me, sorry.
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Re: Minwell's Angel | Minwell's Angel [Entropy] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=56060.msg1160739#msg1160739
« Reply #18 on: October 16, 2014, 11:40:34 pm »
Why do you need the symbol? You could just write "Redistribute creature HP evenly." or something like that.

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Re: Minwell's Angel | Minwell's Angel [Entropy] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=56060.msg1160742#msg1160742
« Reply #19 on: October 17, 2014, 12:04:03 am »
Sorry, I don't want to see this card idea but I had to with the second option because their was no option saying "No. (Posting suggestions)" I don't want to see this card because I think its too complex. Heck, I don't even know how to make that symbol with my current keyboard and explaining it, in depth, could be hard to explain to a kid like someone in kong. The not being able to make that symbol also affects how effective I can be when someone asks what does it do. I also don't even know how to use that symbol in algebra. According to the notes its the opposite of maxwells demon. Well, if its 100% opposite, then its OP. Max wells demon is balanced because it can only really negate high attack opponents creature's from doing too much damage as repeatable CC and the drawback is its super expensive. This would allow you to get rid of most of the weaker creatures in the game that often are in total damage or ability effectiveness greater than the big creatures. It also has way too much synergy with max wells demon especially with this being an entropy card. It might fit in gravity mechanics cause OTY, but then most cases Oty>Minwells Angel. Thus Id rather just not see this card in the game. I would not cast my vote to be so condescending as the "no, it's stupid." But a simple "No." I would. Thus I think with how you set up the polls the polls arn't accurate, at least, for my vote anyway.

Thanks for the detailed reply.

First, the poll - it was opened back when it was in Humor, to see whether it should be moved to CIA. So it was not meant for the actual usage of the card
But, for further votes I have changed it to a simple No

The text - I also had to Google up the code for the symbols. But for easier usage it can simply be switched back to the original version

As for balance - it is not balanced (yet). Nor was it meant to be. But people seemed to like the idea (so far) so it has been moved here from Humor to get some real consideration

Looks like a pointless card to me, sorry.

Not necessarily. It can work as anti CC for FFQ and Scarab decks, or as CC against dragons

Why do you need the symbol? You could just write "Redistribute creature HP evenly." or something like that.


The original text was
:entropy :entropy  Algebra:
Rebalance the HP of all creatures in play. Take from the rich, give to the poor

Then I thought 'Hey, if it's Algebra, why not include it in the description'
But I agree that it might be difficult for people to understand
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Re: Minwell's Angel | Minwell's Angel [Entropy] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=56060.msg1160750#msg1160750
« Reply #20 on: October 17, 2014, 04:04:09 am »
Hmmm... So essentially, you redistribute all HPs evenly among each creature in play...
I'm actually kind of glad its not in gravity because that WOULD be OP with oty.
Basically you would use this then pop momentum on otyugh and poof, oty can eat everything in site.

I actually like its element as :entropy because essentially you are redistributing mass evenly among all creatures. This is very much anti-thetic to gravity which would seek to concentrate all mass into a singular point and so this effect definitely belongs in gravity's elemental opposite, entropy.

I do agree with crocketrocket though, the wording is confusing and the algebra formula is a bit extraneous.
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Re: Minwell's Angel | Minwell's Angel [Entropy] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=56060.msg1160751#msg1160751
« Reply #21 on: October 17, 2014, 04:30:23 am »
strongest way to use this is definitely with SoFo and Gravityshield. This will esssentially give you a permanent dimshield and endless PC, but it cost a lot of cards and quanta and is briefly vulnerable to CC (also doesnt block newcomers with low health and still needs some dmg).
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Re: Minwell's Angel | Minwell's Angel [Entropy] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=56060.msg1160752#msg1160752
« Reply #22 on: October 17, 2014, 04:36:01 am »
Updated with simpler card text (no more difficult symbols  :P )
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Re: Minwell's Angel | Minwell's Angel [Entropy] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=56060.msg1160753#msg1160753
« Reply #23 on: October 17, 2014, 04:39:51 am »
And now the card's name is "Click here to add title".
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