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Re: Mercy Judgment | Mercy Punishment https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42259.msg526143#msg526143
« Reply #12 on: July 27, 2012, 05:50:53 am »
I'd say mirror shield is better just because it's immaterial. Using this on a creature is a faster lock down than aflatoxin.
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Re: Mercy Judgment | Mercy Punishment https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42259.msg526194#msg526194
« Reply #13 on: July 27, 2012, 08:34:26 am »
Raised cost to 5\4. discuss
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Re: Mercy Judgment | Mercy Punishment https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42259.msg526247#msg526247
« Reply #14 on: July 27, 2012, 02:36:29 pm »
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Quote from: jacker on July 26, 2012, 05:50:29 pm
Maybe the cost is too low, but a fire bolt with 20 quanta can kill almost any creature in the game, uh?
A raise in the cost should be needed, but maybe 8 is too high

8 :light isn't too high...how many  :fire does it take to kill an animated, accelerated Titan?  Or Stone-formed Gargoyle?  If I were to make a Mono :light deck, I would probably put in one or two...for those problematic monsters.  Mono :light doesn't have access to 20 :fire.

I'm a big fan of this card's concept, and for balance, I feel that cost should be relatively high.  It kills any targetable monster.  Can you imagine what this would do to Shakar's Revenge?
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Re: Mercy Judgment | Mercy Punishment https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42259.msg526272#msg526272
« Reply #15 on: July 27, 2012, 03:51:32 pm »
Suggestion: Weaken the target creature by 2/2 (3/3 if upped) and add 2(3) photons in your opponent's hand. Do not add photons when your opponent's hand is full.
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Re: Mercy Judgment | Mercy Punishment https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42259.msg526821#msg526821
« Reply #16 on: July 28, 2012, 12:44:41 pm »
Why in the hand? Howeve make it a 2/2 or a 1/1 could be an idea...but the photons were like the essensce of the dead creature...
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Re: Mercy Judgment | Mercy Punishment https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42259.msg526825#msg526825
« Reply #17 on: July 28, 2012, 01:14:52 pm »
Quote from: Mathematistic on July 27, 2012, 03:51:32 pm
Suggestion: Weaken the target creature by 2/2 (3/3 if upped) and add 2(3) photons in your opponent's hand. Do not add photons when your opponent's hand is full.
This just makes the card way too nice.
Instead, you can make it add 2(3) photons to op's hand, and if he doesn't have any space - to the top of his deck.
Imagine having like 6 of these upped in your hand and waiting for op to get a full hand and play them all in 1 turn. Oh, the horror!
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Re: Mercy Judgment | Mercy Punishment https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42259.msg526829#msg526829
« Reply #18 on: July 28, 2012, 01:37:39 pm »
Quote from: jacker on July 28, 2012, 12:44:41 pm
Why in the hand? Howeve make it a 2/2 or a 1/1 could be an idea...but the photons were like the essensce of the dead creature...

It spams opponent hand space like a miniature nightmare effect if they hold too many cards, with the potential to neurotoxin troll AI. Not bad IMO.
Thematically, you shattered the essence of the creature and make part of them return to its owner.
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Re: Mercy Judgment | Mercy Punishment https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42259.msg526834#msg526834
« Reply #19 on: July 28, 2012, 02:06:52 pm »
Quote from: SpineApple on July 28, 2012, 01:14:52 pm
Quote from: Mathematistic on July 27, 2012, 03:51:32 pm
Suggestion: Weaken the target creature by 2/2 (3/3 if upped) and add 2(3) photons in your opponent's hand. Do not add photons when your opponent's hand is full.
This just makes the card way too nice.
Instead, you can make it add 2(3) photons to op's hand, and if he doesn't have any space - to the top of his deck.
Imagine having like 6 of these upped in your hand and waiting for op to get a full hand and play them all in 1 turn. Oh, the horror!

Too powerful that way
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Re: Mercy Judgment | Mercy Punishment https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42259.msg526841#msg526841
« Reply #20 on: July 28, 2012, 02:49:06 pm »
 should say "Destroy target friendly creature". if not, a simple mirror shield (untargettable) would be as destroying the oponent's creature ignoring it's HP.
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Re: Mercy Judgment | Mercy Punishment https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42259.msg526884#msg526884
« Reply #21 on: July 28, 2012, 07:19:45 pm »
What about a "banish" spell, who sends the creature back in the hand, leaving a photon in field?
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Re: Mercy Judgment | Mercy Punishment https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42259.msg526992#msg526992
« Reply #22 on: July 29, 2012, 04:16:08 am »
Quote from: jacker on July 28, 2012, 07:19:45 pm
What about a "banish" spell, who sends the creature back in the hand, leaving a photon in field?

Too similar to reverse time.
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Re: Mercy Judgment | Mercy Punishment https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42259.msg527009#msg527009
« Reply #23 on: July 29, 2012, 05:29:20 am »
Quote from: SpineApple on July 27, 2012, 02:36:29 pm
Quote from: Trollinator on July 27, 2012, 02:13:26 am
Quote from: jacker on July 26, 2012, 05:50:29 pm
Maybe the cost is too low, but a fire bolt with 20 quanta can kill almost any creature in the game, uh?
A raise in the cost should be needed, but maybe 8 is too high

8 :light isn't too high...how many  :fire does it take to kill an animated, accelerated Titan?  Or Stone-formed Gargoyle?  If I were to make a Mono :light deck, I would probably put in one or two...for those problematic monsters.  Mono :light doesn't have access to 20 :fire.

I'm a big fan of this card's concept, and for balance, I feel that cost should be relatively high.  It kills any targetable monster.  Can you imagine what this would do to Shakar's Revenge?
Shak'ar's revenge?
It's way, way out of league right now.
As in, nobody plays it.
A forgotten deck, now useless.

SpineApple, Sir, I'm afraid Shak'ar's Revenge may not be a forgotten deck...I've played against it 3 times in the last 3 days in PvP2.  It's been at least a week since I've face a Pestal.  Is Pestal a useless, forgotten deck?
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