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Re: Mask of Tragedy/Mask of Affliction https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36461.msg458640#msg458640
« Reply #12 on: February 10, 2012, 08:34:36 pm »

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Re: Mask of Tragedy/Mask of Affliction https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36461.msg458641#msg458641
« Reply #13 on: February 10, 2012, 08:41:59 pm »
permanents can be overpowered, its not enough to say "permanent control cards exist (plus momentum), so this isnt too powerful"
Agreed

Do you think this is a fair comparison? I believe this can at least set a lower bound for the cost.

Mask of Tragedy | Mask of Affliction
For X :darkness + 1 card + the shield slot you can return Y waves of attacks against your opponent.
For X :underworld + 1 card + the shield slot you can gain a Y waves advantage over your opponent.
For X :aether + 1 card + the shield slot you can block Y waves of attacks from your opponent.
Dimensional Shield | Phase Shield
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Re: Mask of Tragedy/Mask of Affliction https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36461.msg458649#msg458649
« Reply #14 on: February 10, 2012, 09:27:38 pm »
permanents can be overpowered, its not enough to say "permanent control cards exist (plus momentum), so this isnt too powerful"
Agreed

Do you think this is a fair comparison? I believe this can at least set a lower bound for the cost.

Mask of Tragedy | Mask of Affliction
For X :darkness + 1 card + the shield slot you can return Y waves of attacks against your opponent.
For X :underworld + 1 card + the shield slot you can gain a Y waves advantage over your opponent.
For X :aether + 1 card + the shield slot you can block Y waves of attacks from your opponent.
Dimensional Shield | Phase Shield
Im not sure i understand.

Are you saying rather than limiting the card to 2 turns, let the damage done to your opponent be equal to your darkness quanta/ or max payable darkness quanta?

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Re: Mask of Tragedy/Mask of Affliction https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36461.msg458858#msg458858
« Reply #15 on: February 11, 2012, 11:45:34 am »
permanents can be overpowered, its not enough to say "permanent control cards exist (plus momentum), so this isnt too powerful"
Agreed

Do you think this is a fair comparison? I believe this can at least set a lower bound for the cost.

Mask of Tragedy | Mask of Affliction
For X :darkness + 1 card + the shield slot you can return Y waves of attacks against your opponent.
For X :underworld + 1 card + the shield slot you can gain a Y waves advantage over your opponent.
For X :aether + 1 card + the shield slot you can block Y waves of attacks from your opponent.
Dimensional Shield | Phase Shield
Im not sure i understand.

Are you saying rather than limiting the card to 2 turns, let the damage done to your opponent be equal to your darkness quanta/ or max payable darkness quanta?
No. I meant the lower bound for the cost of Mask can be derived from the cost of Dimensional Shield.
X is the casting cost of the card. Y is the number of waves it prevents

Sundial
X = 1|0
Y = 0 (delay one of your waves to block on of theirs)
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Re: Mask of Tragedy/Mask of Affliction https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36461.msg459005#msg459005
« Reply #16 on: February 11, 2012, 07:06:58 pm »
Im not sure i understand.

Are you saying rather than limiting the card to 2 turns, let the damage done to your opponent be equal to your darkness quanta/ or max payable darkness quanta?
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No. I meant the lower bound for the cost of Mask can be derived from the cost of Dimensional Shield.
X is the casting cost of the card. Y is the number of waves it prevents

Sundial
X = 1|0
Y = 0 (delay one of your waves to block on of theirs)
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Re: Mask of Tragedy/Mask of Affliction https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36461.msg459215#msg459215
« Reply #17 on: February 12, 2012, 07:41:24 am »
As a standard permanent it seemed a little OP. As a shield this is actually pretty cool! It gives a nice answer to phase shield.
However, given that it protects from a broader spectrum of sources, it should be a little more expensive than its  :aether cousin. This shield essentially protects you from any kind of attack so its like a combination of mirror shield and phase shield plus poison reflect. Sans immaterial.
Quite powerful, so spamming may be a definite concern, much more so than phase shield which relys on the fact that spells and poison can bypass it. This will take some work to balance, I think.
All in all though, very cool concept.
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Re: Mask of Tragedy/Mask of Affliction https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36461.msg459220#msg459220
« Reply #18 on: February 12, 2012, 08:17:44 am »
This shield essentially protects you from any kind of attack so its like a combination of mirror shield and phase shield plus poison reflect.
You still take damage...
Anyways, this shield looks nice :D Thinking of what SoSa would do... healing isn't reflected.
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