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Re: Manipulate | Manipulate https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7690.msg86069#msg86069
« Reply #12 on: June 08, 2010, 10:26:28 pm »
Oh. Gotcha. I had mistaken the two for a 3-turn time bubble | 4-turn time bubble. My bad. However, compared to the upgraded card, the unupgraded card is fairly underpowered:
It gets an extra time bubble AND the cost decreases by 1. Usually upgraded cards only: 1. Decrease cost (deflagration), 2. increase effectiveness (ruby dragon), 3. Change completely (chaos power). This upgrade does both 1 and 2.


If you check out Freeze | Congeal, you can see that they both cost only 1 quantum yet increase from 3 to 4 missed turns. Shouldn't this be similar?

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Re: Manipulate | Manipulate https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7690.msg86072#msg86072
« Reply #13 on: June 08, 2010, 10:28:51 pm »
Oh. Gotcha. I had mistaken the two for a 3-turn time bubble | 4-turn time bubble. My bad. However, compared to the upgraded card, the unupgraded card is fairly underpowered:
It gets an extra time bubble AND the cost decreases by 1. Usually upgraded cards only: 1. Decrease cost (deflagration), 2. increase effectiveness (ruby dragon), 3. Change completely (chaos power). This upgrade does both 1 and 2.


If you check out Freeze | Congeal, you can see that they both cost only 1 quantum yet increase from 3 to 4 missed turns. Shouldn't this be similar?
Well I don't want this to be the control that replaces Freeze | Congeal, I instead want it to be a slightly weaker alternative.

EDIT:  Also, would it be smart to lower the cost of Manipulate (Unupped) to 1 :time?
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Re: Manipulate | Manipulate https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7690.msg86073#msg86073
« Reply #14 on: June 08, 2010, 10:31:10 pm »
EDIT:  Also, would it be smart to lower the cost of Manipulate (Unupped) to 1 :time?
That's exactly what I meant.

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either that or increase the time bubble for the unupped version to 3 turns and keep the cost the same (it'll follow along the time standards. i.e. Reverse Time, Precognition. Costs decrease while effectiveness stays equal)

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Re: Manipulate | Manipulate https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7690.msg86076#msg86076
« Reply #15 on: June 08, 2010, 10:33:36 pm »
EDIT:  Also, would it be smart to lower the cost of Manipulate (Unupped) to 1 :time?
That's exactly what I meant.

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either that or increase the time bubble for the unupped version to 3 turns and keep the cost the same (it'll follow along the time standards. i.e. Reverse Time, Precognition. Costs decrease while effectiveness stays equal)
Hmm good idea.  I will actually do that instead.  Hold on, time to go to my card editor again!   ::)
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Re: Manipulate | Manipulate https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7690.msg86645#msg86645
« Reply #16 on: June 09, 2010, 06:04:06 pm »
Okay, this is either the final version or close enough to it.  If everyone would really want it to be 3 | 4 turn freeze, then I will have to increase the cost of the upgraded card to 2 :time.  I just don't want it because I don't want this to be an expensive mirror to Freeze | Congeal.
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Re: Manipulate | Manipulate https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7690.msg86723#msg86723
« Reply #17 on: June 09, 2010, 07:41:08 pm »
Should we just make one of the cards for every element now?  Part of the reason you want to limit the spread of each card-type is to keep the flavor/personalities of the elements distinct.  So far we have...

 :water Freeze
 :earth Basilisk blood
 :time Manipulate

Also, Manipulate needs a better name--something more time-based.
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Re: Manipulate | Manipulate https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7690.msg86849#msg86849
« Reply #18 on: June 09, 2010, 09:17:51 pm »
Should we just make one of the cards for every element now?  Part of the reason you want to limit the spread of each card-type is to keep the flavor/personalities of the elements distinct.  So far we have...

 :water Freeze
 :earth Basilisk blood
 :time Manipulate

Also, Manipulate needs a better name--something more time-based.
Eww, that wouldn't work out in the game, due to repetitiveness and lack of effects to inflict, and it leaves a bad taste in my mouth.  Also, you forgot Chaos Seed.

Anyway, I would like to keep the name purely because we are manipulating :time itself to hold a creature in place.
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