Manipulate | Manipulate

[b00mc1ap]

Oh. Gotcha. I had mistaken the two for a 3-turn time bubble | 4-turn time bubble. My bad. However, compared to the upgraded card, the unupgraded card is fairly underpowered:

It gets an extra time bubble AND the cost decreases by 1. Usually upgraded cards only: 1. Decrease cost (deflagration), 2. increase effectiveness (ruby dragon), 3. Change completely (chaos power). This upgrade does both 1 and 2.


If you check out Freeze | Congeal, you can see that they both cost only 1 quantum yet increase from 3 to 4 missed turns. Shouldn't this be similar?

[Dragoon1140]

Oh. Gotcha. I had mistaken the two for a 3-turn time bubble | 4-turn time bubble. My bad. However, compared to the upgraded card, the unupgraded card is fairly underpowered:

It gets an extra time bubble AND the cost decreases by 1. Usually upgraded cards only: 1. Decrease cost (deflagration), 2. increase effectiveness (ruby dragon), 3. Change completely (chaos power). This upgrade does both 1 and 2.


If you check out Freeze | Congeal, you can see that they both cost only 1 quantum yet increase from 3 to 4 missed turns. Shouldn't this be similar?

Well I don't want this to be the control that replaces Freeze | Congeal, I instead want it to be a slightly weaker alternative.

EDIT:  Also, would it be smart to lower the cost of Manipulate (Unupped) to 1 ?

[b00mc1ap]

EDIT:  Also, would it be smart to lower the cost of Manipulate (Unupped) to 1 ?

That's exactly what I meant.

-EDIT-
either that or increase the time bubble for the unupped version to 3 turns and keep the cost the same (it'll follow along the time standards. i.e. Reverse Time, Precognition. Costs decrease while effectiveness stays equal)

[Dragoon1140]

EDIT:  Also, would it be smart to lower the cost of Manipulate (Unupped) to 1 ?

That's exactly what I meant.

-EDIT-
either that or increase the time bubble for the unupped version to 3 turns and keep the cost the same (it'll follow along the time standards. i.e. Reverse Time, Precognition. Costs decrease while effectiveness stays equal)

Hmm good idea.  I will actually do that instead.  Hold on, time to go to my card editor again!   

[Dragoon1140]

Okay, this is either the final version or close enough to it.  If everyone would really want it to be 3 | 4 turn freeze, then I will have to increase the cost of the upgraded card to 2 .  I just don't want it because I don't want this to be an expensive mirror to Freeze | Congeal.

[Boingo]

Should we just make one of the cards for every element now?  Part of the reason you want to limit the spread of each card-type is to keep the flavor/personalities of the elements distinct.  So far we have...

  Freeze
  Basilisk blood
  Manipulate

Also, Manipulate needs a better name--something more time-based.

[Dragoon1140]

Should we just make one of the cards for every element now?  Part of the reason you want to limit the spread of each card-type is to keep the flavor/personalities of the elements distinct.  So far we have...

  Freeze
  Basilisk blood
  Manipulate

Also, Manipulate needs a better name--something more time-based.

Eww, that wouldn't work out in the game, due to repetitiveness and lack of effects to inflict, and it leaves a bad taste in my mouth.  Also, you forgot Chaos Seed.

Anyway, I would like to keep the name purely because we are manipulating itself to hold a creature in place.