Lure | Elite Lure (rework)

[SnoWeb]

NAME: Lure ELEMENT: Fire COST: 3 TYPE: Creature ATK|HP: 2|3 TEXT: : Smoke - Screens off the target permanent row. Both players can dissipate it with or by killing the lure.	NAME: Elite Lure ELEMENT: Fire COST: 3 TYPE: Creature ATK|HP: 3|3 TEXT: : Smoke - Screens off the target permanent row. Both players can dissipate it with or by killing the lure.

ART: http://www.sxc.hu/photo/1289353 IDEA: SnoWeb (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,26141.0.html) NOTES: : Smoke - Screens off the target permanent row. It means 4 potential target for the smoke screen (2 rows of permanent per player). Under the smoke screen, the permanents are untargetable but their ability can not be actively triggered. Both players can dissipate it with . Above the smoke screen, an ability ( : Dissipate). Independently of the position of the screen, both players can use it. A Lure can generate only one screen at the time. If the lure is killed the screen he produces disappears. This version is a rework. The discussion starts here (#post_rework). SERIES: Opposing elements duos as soft PC (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,27050.0.html)

NAME: Lure ELEMENT: Fire COST: 2 TYPE: Creature ATK|HP: 2|1 TEXT: If any of the player targets a creature, Lure is targeted. : Smoke Screen Generates a Fog Decoy.	NAME: Elite Lure ELEMENT: Fire COST: 2 TYPE: Creature ATK|HP: 2|1 TEXT: If any of the player targets a creature, Lure is targeted. : Smoke Screen Generates a Myst Decoy.

NAME: Fog Decoy ELEMENT: Water COST: 2 TYPE: Permanent ATK|HP: TEXT: If any of the player tries to alter a permanent in any way, the Decoy is altered instead. Last 1 turn.	NAME: Fog Decoy ELEMENT: Water COST: 1 TYPE: Permanent ATK|HP: TEXT: If any of the player tries to alter a permanent in any way, the Decoy is altered instead. Last 2 turns.

[coinich]

Not to sound annoying, but essentially its a renewable Lodestone (Level 2/3) and a creature version?

[SnoWeb]

I was unaware of this: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,20702.0.html
but yes, it has the same effect at the end. This version is a short-live-permanent (1 or 2 turns) produced repetitively by a creature.
With the present mechanic, you can circumvent the effect with CC. Something you cannot do with Lodestone.
Another difference is that the present abilities apply to both players.

[Flayne]

Typo on "any of the player" -> "any of the players"

however i suggest breaking down the text to this:

"If a player targets a creature, lure is targeted instead..."

[SnoWeb]

"If a player targets a creature, lure is targeted instead..."

This sounds better. What do you guys think about the stats for Lure? As I will redo the card I'd better know it before ...

[Flayne]

"If a player targets a creature, lure is targeted instead..."

This sounds better. What do you guys think about the stats for Lure? As I will redo the card I'd better know it before ...

I would say upped needs at least 2hp, so then its not insta killed by thunderstorm or unstable gas.
the rest sounds fine.
good concept with the smokescreen and fog, i like it
though how does a fire creature creat fog with and when it creates steam or vapor?
(eg. steam machine)
One would think fogs and mists were +

[SnoWeb]

The first effect of Lure sounds like Gravity. (assuming you just forgot to put the word instead on the end of the effect) Fog Decoy would work better as a separate card that is either a permanent targeting spell or a permanent without a duration. I think the name was lodestone.

This Idea was part of a brainstroming for new PC: Opposing elements duos as soft PC (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,27050.0.html)

I will not submit it to crucible for several reasons:

It is too complicated.It steps on the feet of a better idea: Magnet | Lodestone (

http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,20702.0.html)It still suffers from thematic incoherences.I cannot find a creature niche in fire where it would not be redundant with something already existing.[/list]
Thanks all of you for your comments ...

[Flayne]

The first effect of Lure sounds like Gravity. (assuming you just forgot to put the word instead on the end of the effect) Fog Decoy would work better as a separate card that is either a permanent targeting spell or a permanent without a duration. I think the name was lodestone.

This Idea was part of a brainstroming for new PC: Opposing elements duos as soft PC (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,27050.0.html)

I will not submit it to crucible for several reasons:

It is too complicated.It steps on the feet of a better idea: Magnet | Lodestone (

http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,20702.0.html)It still suffers from thematic incoherences.I cannot find a creature niche in fire where it would not be redundant with something already existing.[/list]
Thanks all of you for your comments ...

It would be wise to place a "(delete please)" sign next to the topic title, no use having abondoned topics floating around in the CI&A board. 

[ZephyrPhantom]

For reworking's sake, I think it would be better to keep the thread up, since SnoWeb links it from his series page.

[SnoWeb]

123 pages of floating Ideas, I don't think that one more will overload the servers.
I want to keep the discussing alive anyway. I'm thinking to a rework in one card ...

[SnoWeb]

Reworks is done.

What do you think?