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Lucid | Lucid https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52791.msg1114268#msg1114268
« on: December 09, 2013, 08:39:55 pm »
NAME:
Lucid
ELEMENT:
Aether
COST:
6 :aether
TYPE:
Spell
ATK|HP:

TEXT:
Target a card. All the copies of that card in your deck are moved to the bottom of your deck
NAME:
Lucid
ELEMENT:
Aether
COST:
5 :aether
TYPE:
Spell
ATK|HP:

TEXT:
Target a card. All the copies of that card in your deck are moved to the bottom of your deck

ART:

IDEA:
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Re: Lucid | Lucid https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52791.msg1114311#msg1114311
« Reply #1 on: December 09, 2013, 10:27:20 pm »
...Interesting. Let's see what I can think of....

First, does it move literally all copies, including those on the field? If so, a different deckout option I suck at reading
Second, does this break the "graveyard" rule? I still suck at reading
Third, a good way to avoid getting quanta flooded, I suppose, in mono aether (though usually aether needs more). -might- help a duo.

Thats all I can think of.
« Last Edit: December 09, 2013, 10:57:32 pm by Naesala »
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Re: Lucid | Lucid https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52791.msg1114313#msg1114313
« Reply #2 on: December 09, 2013, 10:45:08 pm »
Change it to "All copies of the targeted card are moved to the bottom of the owner's deck."

That said: are you facing an immorush? Target a Lava Golem and Poof all lava golems (from his deck and hand and targeted golem). Facing SoFo? Nopes! Facing SoFr that annoys you? Neither!

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Re: Lucid | Lucid https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52791.msg1114327#msg1114327
« Reply #3 on: December 10, 2013, 12:26:03 am »
could cost 2 :aether

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Re: Lucid | Lucid https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52791.msg1114330#msg1114330
« Reply #4 on: December 10, 2013, 12:43:38 am »
I was hoping it would be used for a deck burner type of thing, when if you've, say, drawn enough pillars, you toss them aside. Or in a hope deck, you toss the rest of the hopes to the bottom of the deck as soon as you've played one.

And iskelion, got a reason why?

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Re: Lucid | Lucid https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52791.msg1114334#msg1114334
« Reply #5 on: December 10, 2013, 12:59:24 am »
Interesting idea.  I can think of a few different uses for it, although except for one, they're all fairly narrow uses.

1) Once you're happy with the amount of pillars/pends you have, send the rest to the bottom of your deck.
2) Get rid of cards that are redundant in multiples, as skyironsword mentioned (extra hopes, jade shields, flooding, etc)
3) Get rid of cards that are useless against your opponent (all those dimshields against fractal chargers)
4) Increase the odds of drawing something you really need/want by sending something else to the bottom of your deck.  (The only card in your deck that will save your bacon next turn is that lone deflag, and you have 30 cards left to draw?  Put something at the bottom, and now you've got a 1/24 instead of 1/30 chance to draw it, or whatever)

Are you able to target a spell in your hand with this?  This could be interesting with something like holy light, or things like fire bolt against a reflective shield, or rage potions against a creatureless deck, for example.

@Chapuz: Unless I missed something in my reading of this card, while you can target your opponent's cards with this, it actually affects only your own deck.  (i.e. you could target your opponent's lava golem, but it would put all YOUR lava golems on the bottom of your deck)

@iskelion: I think the cost for this card is probably about right, given what it does.  I don't think I'd go any more than -1 cost to it, but I'd leave it as is.

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Re: Lucid | Lucid https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52791.msg1114339#msg1114339
« Reply #6 on: December 10, 2013, 02:01:40 am »
I suppose it would be able to target your hand; otherwise how would you aim at those hopes? :D

Unless it's SoW style pro quint targeting ;D

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Re: Lucid | Lucid https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52791.msg1114341#msg1114341
« Reply #7 on: December 10, 2013, 02:13:36 am »
Being able to target spells is important, so that you can bottom deck Lucid itself

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Re: Lucid | Lucid https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52791.msg1114422#msg1114422
« Reply #8 on: December 10, 2013, 03:41:11 pm »
Okay. I guess it can target your hand, then.

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Re: Lucid | Lucid https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52791.msg1114423#msg1114423
« Reply #9 on: December 10, 2013, 03:57:57 pm »
Interesting mechanic, but adding another OP card to  :aether is a BIG NO NO!

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Re: Lucid | Lucid https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52791.msg1114439#msg1114439
« Reply #10 on: December 10, 2013, 04:45:24 pm »
Uh, what, I can not see how this is OP. It's more UP imo.
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Re: Lucid | Lucid https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52791.msg1114463#msg1114463
« Reply #11 on: December 10, 2013, 06:32:51 pm »
And iskelion, got a reason why?

i undestand you could add many copies of a card you only need 1 at any time (just to increase drawing chances) or have drawn too many pillars, but this is not really a spammable card, the times in which it would come handy wont present many times during a match, and might not even present at all. its a "just in case" card, and its effect will take some turns to have any effect, and after that, you will still have to draw the cards you wanted to avoid anyways
because of that i think that decreasing its cost would make this card more usable without being OP
« Last Edit: December 10, 2013, 06:37:03 pm by iskelion »

 

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