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Re: Lesser Null Mantis | Greater Null Mantis https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55974.msg1159347#msg1159347
« Reply #12 on: October 09, 2014, 07:15:24 am »
Conversely, SoI/Chimera, being a spell, would also be consumed, yes?

SoI and Chimera are both creatures, their "stats" are shown on the cards.

The fact it can counter spells so easily actually disturbs me slightly. I would like it if the consume effect only lasted a turn, so you had to pay upkeep.

I agree. Activation should last until the end of your next turn.
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Re: Lesser Null Mantis | Greater Null Mantis https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55974.msg1159416#msg1159416
« Reply #13 on: October 09, 2014, 02:38:22 pm »
SoI and Chimera are both creatures, their "stats" are shown on the cards.



SoI is weird, but I'd say it's closer to a spell than a creature. But Shard Golem is a creature. You can see this trying to use RT or fractal on it. The wording doesn't help though.

Chimera on the other hand behaves like creature with a really unique on play effect, but the wording in the card really throws you off.

I believe the question was whether Psion's attack would be nullified by the Mantis or not, since it is spell damage

I think not, since psions ignore GP anyways. If GP blocked spell damage then that would be relevant.
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Re: Lesser Null Mantis | Greater Null Mantis https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55974.msg1159423#msg1159423
« Reply #14 on: October 09, 2014, 04:12:09 pm »
@andretimpa: Chimera and SoI are creatures by definition. They don't have the "voltage" icon a Spell has to the southeast corner of its image. Moreover, they have the attack|health creature stats; their attack is an "+" instead of a fixed number, as well as their defence.
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Re: Lesser Null Mantis | Greater Null Mantis https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55974.msg1159430#msg1159430
« Reply #15 on: October 09, 2014, 05:12:06 pm »
@andretimpa: Chimera and SoI are creatures by definition. They don't have the "voltage" icon a Spell has to the southeast corner of its image. Moreover, they have the attack|health creature stats; their attack is an "+" instead of a fixed number, as well as their defence.

Code-wise, one of them is a spell; I believe SoI.
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Re: Lesser Null Mantis | Greater Null Mantis https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55974.msg1159434#msg1159434
« Reply #16 on: October 09, 2014, 06:28:20 pm »
The card's ability has been rather specific.

"next spell card"
Psion is a creature card that deals spell damage.


Conversely, SoI/Chimera, being a spell, would also be consumed, yes?

As for the card...
The fact it can counter spells so easily actually disturbs me slightly. I would like it if the consume effect only lasted a turn, so you had to pay upkeep.
That was actually my original intent, for almost exactly the same reasoning but upon thinking about it more closely I eventually realized that having it reset each turn actually makes it more effective as a spell counter.
The reason is that if it wears off at the start of your turn each time, then you are free to cast any spells you want without them getting absorbed, then use this ability to lockdown your opponent's spell casting.
With a continuous effect, you will have to waste a spell card yourself in order to cast a spell, so there is a true double edge to the effect.

But it could work either way I suppose.
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Re: Lesser Null Mantis | Greater Null Mantis https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55974.msg1159435#msg1159435
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I consider the upkeep more painful.

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Re: Lesser Null Mantis | Greater Null Mantis https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55974.msg1159437#msg1159437
« Reply #18 on: October 09, 2014, 06:40:46 pm »
Make the effect continuous (or until the mantis is killed) AND with an upkeep per turn (on the same style as flooding).
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Re: Lesser Null Mantis | Greater Null Mantis https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55974.msg1159440#msg1159440
« Reply #19 on: October 09, 2014, 06:43:05 pm »
Make the effect continuous (or until the mantis is killed) AND with an upkeep per turn (on the same style as flooding).
Good idea! ... not sure if I can make all that fit though... got any wording suggestions?
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Re: Lesser Null Mantis | Greater Null Mantis https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55974.msg1159444#msg1159444
« Reply #20 on: October 09, 2014, 07:02:44 pm »


Problem solved.

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Re: Lesser Null Mantis | Greater Null Mantis https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55974.msg1159446#msg1159446
« Reply #21 on: October 09, 2014, 07:09:39 pm »
Sweet! Thanks Frozengaia!

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":aether :aether : Anti-magic - Stop the next spell card cast and gain +1|+1. Absorbs :aether per turn until then. Immune to spells."
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Re: Lesser Null Mantis | Greater Null Mantis https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55974.msg1159451#msg1159451
« Reply #22 on: October 09, 2014, 07:31:21 pm »
What happens if you run out of  :aether? It simply stops negating spells?

Or perhaps it does 1 spell damage to you each turn when it is not 'fed'?
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Re: Lesser Null Mantis | Greater Null Mantis https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55974.msg1159456#msg1159456
« Reply #23 on: October 09, 2014, 07:50:54 pm »
What happens if you run out of  :aether? It simply stops negating spells?

Or perhaps it does 1 spell damage to you each turn when it is not 'fed'?
I mention that in OP... it dies (consistent with flooding's absorb mechanic).
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