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Leaping Spider | Dancing Spider https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=57782.msg1181980#msg1181980
« on: March 11, 2015, 11:03:46 pm »
NAME:
Leaping Spider
ELEMENT:
Entropy
COST:
4 :entropy
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
3 | 3
TEXT:
Strafe: (once per turn)
when targeted, move left or right 1 spot.
NAME:
Dancing Spider
ELEMENT:
Entropy
COST:
4 :entropy
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
4 | 4
TEXT:
Strafe: (once per turn)
when targeted, move left or right 1 spot.

ART:
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IDEA:

NOTES:
Theme:
Immortal of Entropy.

The playful spider fiend crosses across the battlefield,
dead creatures lying everywhere.

A fire bolt dashes across the sky and downwards to the spider,
the spider leaps excitedly away from the ball of fire and squirming with excitement,

but then the spider sees a shower of fire balls towards him,
the spider's eyes sparkles at the beautiful fireworks...

Combos:
Immortality is powerful itself.

You can also try out Chaos Seed Leaping Spider
to stop Leaping Spider Strafing second time
then cast Fractal, Mitosis or Butterfly Effect.

Then annoy your opponent with swarm immortal spiders
mitosis itself and destroying your opponent permanents.

Rules Set:
1. Leaping Spider moves left or right to escape from damaging spells like Firebolt.

2. If leaping spider is stuck in between 2 creatures,
it will not be able to strafe.

3. Cant avoid mass cc spells,
for example, Rain of Fire damage Leaping Spider,
Leaping Spider leaps to the right,
Leaping Spider is treated as a new creature,
As Rain of Fire targets every creature,
Leaping Spider is damaged again but is unable to strafe.

4. Leaping Spider moves right or left in a 50% chance,
it can fall into traps like Flooding.

5. If there is a creature beside Leaping Spider,
Leaping Spider will automatically leaps to the
opposite side when targeted.

(revised on 28/04/15)
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« Last Edit: April 29, 2015, 03:19:04 am by foxrain4 »

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Re: Leaping Spider | Dancing Spider https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=57782.msg1181981#msg1181981
« Reply #1 on: March 11, 2015, 11:12:18 pm »
Do Mass CC spells like Rain of Fire cause the "jumping effect" to happen?

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Re: Leaping Spider | Dancing Spider https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=57782.msg1181982#msg1181982
« Reply #2 on: March 11, 2015, 11:20:54 pm »
Do Mass CC spells like Rain of Fire cause the "jumping effect" to happen?

Updated:
Leaping Spider cant escape from Mass CC spells including Rain of Fire and Pandemonium,
it just does not make any sense to be able to escape.

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Re: Leaping Spider | Dancing Spider https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=57782.msg1181983#msg1181983
« Reply #3 on: March 11, 2015, 11:28:20 pm »
Do Mass CC spells like Rain of Fire cause the "jumping effect" to happen?

Updated:
Leaping Spider cant escape from Mass CC spells including Rain of Fire and Pandemonium,
it just does not make any sense to be able to escape.

Actually, it doesn't make sense to be able to escape from Rain of Fire and Thunderstorm, because they would cover the whole AREA. Pandemonium on the other hand is more a spell targeting EVERY creature, as each CREATURE suffers different effects, so in theory the spider would be able to dodge its individual attack.
Not saying it should, just that it could make sense.
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Re: Leaping Spider | Dancing Spider https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=57782.msg1181984#msg1181984
« Reply #4 on: March 11, 2015, 11:45:00 pm »
What is the purpose of the spell still hitting the field slot the spider had jumped from?
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Re: Leaping Spider | Dancing Spider https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=57782.msg1181986#msg1181986
« Reply #5 on: March 12, 2015, 12:02:00 am »
Do Mass CC spells like Rain of Fire cause the "jumping effect" to happen?

Updated:
Leaping Spider cant escape from Mass CC spells including Rain of Fire and Pandemonium,
it just does not make any sense to be able to escape.

Actually, it doesn't make sense to be able to escape from Rain of Fire and Thunderstorm, because they would cover the whole AREA. Pandemonium on the other hand is more a spell targeting EVERY creature, as each CREATURE suffers different effects, so in theory the spider would be able to dodge its individual attack.
Not saying it should, just that it could make sense.

I think they have updated Rain of fire and Thunderstorm to target every creature also.

What is the purpose of the spell still hitting the field slot the spider had jumped from?

for future cards with possible field changing effects
and for thematics as Leaping Spider only leaps away
from the target spell but not removing the target spell.
_____________________________________________________

For mass cc spell,
Rain of Fire will target Leaping Spider
Leaping Spider will leaps to the left or right spot.

After leaping, Leaping Spider will be treated as a new creature
and will be targeted by Rain of Fire again,
repeating this process repeatedly until,
 
Leaping Spider goes back to a spot where Rain of Fire had already targeted,
and Leaping Spider will be damaged by the Rain of Fire.
« Last Edit: March 12, 2015, 12:56:48 am by foxrain4 »

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Re: Leaping Spider | Dancing Spider https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=57782.msg1182002#msg1182002
« Reply #6 on: March 12, 2015, 01:47:48 am »
That whole process of the Spider jumping to every available spot on the board seems a bit unnecessary. Wouldn't it just be simpler to deal the damage directly?
It could still jump as that happened, even taking damage from that new spot on the board.

Other than that, this looks promising, if not immediately usable. If there were more cards that dealt with field position, this would be more powerful & interesting.

...
Actually, that's almost exactly why Flooding isn't as powerful as other cards. Nothing moves into it.
This card is countered by Flooding.
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Re: Leaping Spider | Dancing Spider https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=57782.msg1182007#msg1182007
« Reply #7 on: March 12, 2015, 01:57:59 am »
That whole process of the Spider jumping to every available spot on the board seems a bit unnecessary. Wouldn't it just be simpler to deal the damage directly?
It could still jump as that happened, even taking damage from that new spot on the board.

Other than that, this looks promising, if not immediately usable. If there were more cards that dealt with field position, this would be more powerful & interesting.

...
Actually, that's almost exactly why Flooding isn't as powerful as other cards. Nothing moves into it.
This card is countered by Flooding.

Lol, make it super OP, give people a reason to use Flooding

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Re: Leaping Spider | Dancing Spider https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=57782.msg1182012#msg1182012
« Reply #8 on: March 12, 2015, 02:07:40 am »
That whole process of the Spider jumping to every available spot on the board seems a bit unnecessary. Wouldn't it just be simpler to deal the damage directly?
It could still jump as that happened, even taking damage from that new spot on the board.

Other than that, this looks promising, if not immediately usable. If there were more cards that dealt with field position, this would be more powerful & interesting.

...
Actually, that's almost exactly why Flooding isn't as powerful as other cards. Nothing moves into it.
This card is countered by Flooding.

It might looks like Leaping Spider is jumping to every spot,
but in reality it can only moves left and right, becoming 7 or 8 spots.
(Leaping Spider cant move to top or bottom rows.)

And it moves left or right in a 50% chance,
meaning it can move right and then move back to left and get hit instantly.
« Last Edit: March 12, 2015, 02:20:33 am by foxrain4 »

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Re: Leaping Spider | Dancing Spider https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=57782.msg1182015#msg1182015
« Reply #9 on: March 12, 2015, 02:29:55 am »
That whole process of the Spider jumping to every available spot on the board seems a bit unnecessary. Wouldn't it just be simpler to deal the damage directly?
It could still jump as that happened, even taking damage from that new spot on the board.

Other than that, this looks promising, if not immediately usable. If there were more cards that dealt with field position, this would be more powerful & interesting.

...
Actually, that's almost exactly why Flooding isn't as powerful as other cards. Nothing moves into it.
This card is countered by Flooding.

It might looks like Leaping Spider is jumping to every spot,
but in reality it can only moves left and right, becoming 7 or 8 spots.
(Leaping Spider cant move to top or bottom rows.)

And it moves left or right in a 50% chance,
meaning it can move right and then move back to left and get hit instantly.

The extra moving's still a bit needless with AoE spells. If you moved it once and then dealt damage, thematically the Spider would have jumped once and still gotten hit by the attack.

And no up and down? Well, I guess we'll need another card to make Flooding earn its keep around here.

EDIT
-snip-

Lol, make it super OP, give people a reason to use Flooding

LOGIC, IT'S LOGICAL

Yes, that's about the idea. I don't mean make it OP, though. I mean give people a reason to use Flooding.

Think about this: make it easy to use in combos, thus people use it often. If Flooding counters that common combo, people will use Flooding often. Mission accomplished.
« Last Edit: March 12, 2015, 02:32:16 am by artimies7 »
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Re: Leaping Spider | Dancing Spider https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=57782.msg1182016#msg1182016
« Reply #10 on: March 12, 2015, 02:32:13 am »
What is the point in overly complicating the mechanic? Just have it jump once for AoE, then get hit. There's no need to make Zanz's life miserable when coding new cards in.
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Re: Leaping Spider | Dancing Spider https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=57782.msg1182020#msg1182020
« Reply #11 on: March 12, 2015, 03:36:24 am »
What is the point in overly complicating the mechanic? Just have it jump once for AoE, then get hit. There's no need to make Zanz's life miserable when coding new cards in.

updated as accordingly,
but now Leaping Spider can get Fractaled XD

You will need mass cc spells to contain your opponent Fractaled or mitosis Leaping Spiders.
« Last Edit: March 12, 2015, 03:40:29 am by foxrain4 »

 

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