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Re: Landslide | Landslide https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35847.msg451211#msg451211
« Reply #12 on: January 21, 2012, 08:12:49 pm »
Landslide costs about as much as fire storm but deals thunderstorm less damage.
Petrify is worth about as much as Reverse Time or Lightning
Mass Lightning is worth 5x Thunderstorm
Landslide has a 50% petrification rate. That clause is worth about 2.5x Thunderstorm
Result Landslide costs as much as Fire Storm but has an equivalent effect that is 1.5x Thunderstorm more than Firestorm.
Aka it should cost 150% of Firestorm's cost if it keeps its effect the same.
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Relevant Cards:
NameCostEffect
Existing Cards
Rain of Fire | Fire Storm7 :fire|5 :fire + 1 cardDeals 3 damage to every enemy creature. Removes invisibility.
Thunderstorm | Lightning Storm2 :air|1 :air + 1 cardDeals 1 damage to every enemy creature. Removes invisibility.
Basilisk Blood | Basilisk Blood2 :earth|1 :earth + 1 cardThe target creature gains +0/+20 but can not attack or use skills for 6 turns.
Lightning | Thunderbolt2 :aether|1 :aether + 1 cardDeals 5 damage to the target.
Hypothetical Cards
Landslide7 :earth|5 :earth + 1 cardDeals 2 damages to every enemy creatures.  Have 50% to petrify target. Removes invisibility
Basilisk Blood | Basilisk Blood and Lightning | Thunderbolt have compareable roles and both cost 2 :underworld|1 :underworld + 1 card. I can assume the effects are of equal value.
A 50% chance to Petrify is the same effect as a Basilisk Blood | Basilisk Blood with a 50% chance to work.
A 50% chance to Petrify has the same value as a Lightning | Thunderbolt with a 50% chance to work.
A Lightning | Thunderbolt with a 50% chance to work has an average effect of "Deals 2.5 damage to the target."
A 50% chance to Petrify has the same value as an average effect of "Deals 2.5 damage to the target."
Lets replace the "50% chance to Petrify" with "Deals 2.5 damage to the target." to see how to balance the card.
NameCostEffect
Hypothetical Cards
Landslide7 :earth|5 :earth + 1 cardDeals 2 damages to every enemy creatures.  Have 50% to petrify target. Removes invisibility
Landslide II7 :earth|5 :earth + 1 cardDeals 4.5 damages to every enemy creatures.  Removes invisibility
Existing Cards
Rain of Fire | Fire Storm7 :fire|5 :fire + 1 cardDeals 3 damage to every enemy creature. Removes invisibility.
So a theoretically equivalent version of Landslide (Landslide II) deals strictly more damage than the equivalent costing card of Rain of Fire | Fire Storm.
This imbalance could be fixed by increasing the cost and/or reducing the effect of Landslide.

Some examples
NameCostEffect
Hypothetical Cards
LandslideIII11 :earth|9 :earth + 1 cardDeals 2 damages to every enemy creatures.  Have 50% to petrify target. Removes invisibility
Landslide IV6 :earth|4 :earth + 1 cardEvery enemy creatures have a 50% to be petrified. Removes invisibility
Landslide V8 :earth|6 :earth + 1 cardDeals 1 damages to every enemy creatures.  Have 50% to petrify target. Removes invisibility
Landslide VI7 :earth|5 :earth + 1 cardDeals 1 damages to every enemy creatures.  Have 40% to petrify target. Removes invisibility
Landslide VII10 :earth|8 :earth + 1 cardDeals 1 damages to every enemy creatures.  Have 60% to petrify target. Removes invisibility
Landslide VIII7 :earth|5 :earth + 1 cardDeals 2 damages to every enemy creatures.  Have 20% to petrify target. Removes invisibility
Existing Cards
Rain of Fire | Fire Storm7 :fire|5 :fire + 1 cardDeals 3 damage to every enemy creature. Removes invisibility.
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Re: Landslide | Landslide https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35847.msg453414#msg453414
« Reply #13 on: January 27, 2012, 12:38:54 pm »
Does anyone have any question or reason this can't be submitted?

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Re: Landslide | Landslide https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35847.msg453467#msg453467
« Reply #14 on: January 27, 2012, 03:26:08 pm »
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Re: Landslide | Landslide https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35847.msg453487#msg453487
« Reply #15 on: January 27, 2012, 05:03:43 pm »
Does anyone have any question or reason this can't be submitted?
I think you might want to change pretify to petrify.
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Re: Landslide | Landslide https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35847.msg453676#msg453676
« Reply #16 on: January 28, 2012, 03:04:50 am »
Does anyone have any question or reason this can't be submitted?
I think you might want to change pretify to petrify.
Done. Thanks.

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Re: Landslide | Landslide https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35847.msg453701#msg453701
« Reply #17 on: January 28, 2012, 03:48:49 am »
Wouldn't the elements be much more redundant if more of them adquire a mass CC spell? We already have RoF, Plague and Pandemonium. Just an opinion discussed in another card some time ago, a darkness spell that deals 2 damage to each enemy creature and absorbs the damage dealt. Don't remember the name or the creator, but it was like "Shadow storm" or something like that.
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Re: Landslide | Landslide https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35847.msg453705#msg453705
« Reply #18 on: January 28, 2012, 03:57:44 am »
Wouldn't the elements be much more redundant if more of them adquire a mass CC spell? We already have RoF, Plague and Pandemonium. Just an opinion discussed in another card some time ago, a darkness spell that deals 2 damage to each enemy creature and absorbs the damage dealt. Don't remember the name or the creator, but it was like "Shadow storm" or something like that.
Yes, we have mass CC for other elements. But does Earth have a mass CC?
I think every elements should have a mass CC..
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Re: Landslide | Landslide https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35847.msg453724#msg453724
« Reply #19 on: January 28, 2012, 05:18:24 am »
Wouldn't the elements be much more redundant if more of them adquire a mass CC spell? We already have RoF, Plague and Pandemonium. Just an opinion discussed in another card some time ago, a darkness spell that deals 2 damage to each enemy creature and absorbs the damage dealt. Don't remember the name or the creator, but it was like "Shadow storm" or something like that.
Yes, we have mass CC for other elements. But does Earth have a mass CC?
I think every elements should have a mass CC..
Am I right, sir ?
I do not believe every element should have a "Mass Damaging CC Spell".
I am ambivalent about Earth gaining a "Mass Damaging CC Spell".
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Re: Landslide | Landslide https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35847.msg453747#msg453747
« Reply #20 on: January 28, 2012, 06:41:01 am »
I apologize from moving to a tangent, but I must digress, I don't really like the concept of each element having their own mass CC just for the sake of having it.  It kind of ruins the individuality of each one even if the effects are slightly different.

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Re: Landslide | Landslide https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35847.msg453899#msg453899
« Reply #21 on: January 28, 2012, 01:52:38 pm »
I apologize from moving to a tangent, but I must digress, I don't really like the concept of each element having their own mass CC just for the sake of having it.  It kind of ruins the individuality of each one even if the effects are slightly different.

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