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Iridium Emblem | Vanadium Emblem https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=46835.msg1041812#msg1041812
« on: February 13, 2013, 06:24:56 am »
NAME:
Iridium Emblem
ELEMENT:
Earth
COST:
5 :earth
TYPE:
Permanent
ATK|HP:

TEXT:
All of your creatures increase their maximum health by 1 when they come into contact with another creature.
NAME:
Vanadium Emblem
ELEMENT:
Earth
COST:
4 :earth
TYPE:
Permanent
ATK|HP:

TEXT:
All of your creatures increase their maximum health by 1 when they come into contact with another creature.

ART:

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Drake_XIV
NOTES:
Today is a day to remain firmly grounded.
You will get stronger with every hit.



Multiple Emblems do stack
Considering any issues with Armagio and Gravity Pull
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Re: Iridium Emblem | Vanadium Emblem https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=46835.msg1041828#msg1041828
« Reply #1 on: February 13, 2013, 07:31:37 am »
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Re: Iridium Emblem | Vanadium Emblem https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=46835.msg1042062#msg1042062
« Reply #2 on: February 13, 2013, 09:26:19 pm »
Interesting... yet another way to make sparktal successful. Could be useful with otyughs and scarabs as well.
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Re: Iridium Emblem | Vanadium Emblem https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=46835.msg1044607#msg1044607
« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2013, 06:56:22 pm »
...Amargio versus low attack critters...Brrr
Or even worse, pulled titans. Try and end that thing before it stomps you flat!
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Re: Iridium Emblem | Vanadium Emblem https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=46835.msg1044627#msg1044627
« Reply #4 on: February 20, 2013, 08:04:13 pm »
"come into contact" means any time it targets another creature, is targeted by another creature, attacks a creature with gravity pull, or is attacked by a creature with gravity pull, right? If it only occurs during positive-attack guard against non-airborne creatures and gravity pull, then it's definitely way too situational.

Personally, I think it's too UP for its high cost. It's pretty situational, and in most intentional situations the extra HP wouldn't mean much (oh yay, sparks lose 1 attack to get to 3|1). Gravity pull'd armagios are currently UP in the first place, as it's so easy for them to die, so the 1 damage reduction wouldn't be that much of a problem in the current meta; I'm more worried about voodoo dolls. Anyways, if these gravity pull issues are too much, you can always just take out the gravity pull interaction...

Interesting how gravity pull + basilisk blood + emblem would evenly split +20 HP across an army of 1-ATK creatures :P

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Re: Iridium Emblem | Vanadium Emblem https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=46835.msg1044636#msg1044636
« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2013, 08:32:26 pm »
Problem- :gravity :earth is a VERY potent duo!
Pulverizer, Stone armor+otys, basilck+Amargio...
Pretty much, as is, this interaction is VERY potent, and even in mono earth, it works with the wardens, as well as the rest of the series, which is kind of the point of this card-to synergize with the rest of the series. Besides which, it's basically soft-anti creature based CC.
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Re: Iridium Emblem | Vanadium Emblem https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=46835.msg1044637#msg1044637
« Reply #6 on: February 20, 2013, 08:37:45 pm »
Problem- :gravity :earth is a VERY potent duo!
Pulverizer, Stone armor+otys, basilck+Amargio...
Pretty much, as is, this interaction is VERY potent, and even in mono earth, it works with the wardens, as well as the rest of the series, which is kind of the point of this card-to synergize with the rest of the series. Besides which, it's basically soft-anti creature based CC.

Um...okay? That deck will destroy your permanents with pulverizer, eat your creatures with otyugh, and protect it self with armagios with or without the help of this card. I'd much rather pack 1-2 Heavy Armors than any copies of this. In the same vein, the opponent will destroy the pulverizer, lobotomize the otyughs, and outdamage the armagios with or without this card. It really doesn't provide enough benefit for its high cost.

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Re: Iridium Emblem | Vanadium Emblem https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=46835.msg1044640#msg1044640
« Reply #7 on: February 20, 2013, 08:50:00 pm »
outdamaging amargios can certainly happen, as can lobotomizing otyughs...
But as for Pulverizer destructions, which protect this card as well-two counters, Enchant artifact from  :earth, or Graviton Scavengers.
My thought, is that this card offers potentially immense returns, especially considering it can work when your creatures target stuff-it doesn't have to be simply reacting to enemies-
basically, just one of these with an otyugh, the creature gets +2/+2, which adds up very fast.
as for amargios-That's more iffy, to be honest, but with 25/30 HP, It's going to take more than a few shots to bring it down, and in the meantime it's also getting increasing attack power as well.
I can say that it's iffy if it will earn back it's cost without a combo, but the combos available seem to have worrisome potential.
And considering that you can stack it for more gains per contact...
That's why I'm worried, it activates whenever your creatures use a targeting ability, or is targeted by another creature.
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Re: Iridium Emblem | Vanadium Emblem https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=46835.msg1044665#msg1044665
« Reply #8 on: February 20, 2013, 10:05:37 pm »
My thought, is that this card offers potentially immense returns, especially considering it can work when your creatures target stuff-it doesn't have to be simply reacting to enemies-
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...the combos available seem to have worrisome potential.
I disagree, and here's why:

basically, just one of these with an otyugh, the creature gets +1/+2, which adds up very fast.
If an Otyugh can eat even one of your creatures, all of your targetable, low-HP creatures are probably screwed. gaining 1 extra HP per devour won't help it eat Shriekers it can already eat, and it won't help it eat Colossal Dragons it'll never be able to eat. In addition, you only need 1 Otyugh to wipe the field, and 1 Emblem + 1 Otyugh less effective, more expensive, and easier to undermine than 1 Armor + 1 Otyugh.

as for amargios-That's more iffy, to be honest, but with 25/30 HP, It's going to take more than a few shots to bring it down, and in the meantime it's also getting increasing attack power as well.
Even if creatures were gaining +1 ATK per proc, that's nothing to worry about. Armagios take about 2 turns or 6 attacks to take down with average creatures, which means he's only gaining 6 HP (equal to Plate Armor). That's equal to +3 damage and no extra turns of survivability. A few Basilisk Bloods or a Trebuchet would be much more

And considering that you can stack it for more gains per contact...
But each copy is worth 5 :earth and an extra card. Is it really better than the alternatives you could use in that card slot?

Feel free to think of any more situations. However, until then, I can't say that this card is an effective use of card space in a deck, especially with its high cost.
Also, "all of your creatures gain +1/+1" seems pretty interesting, especially with Wardens...
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Re: Iridium Emblem | Vanadium Emblem https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=46835.msg1044673#msg1044673
« Reply #9 on: February 20, 2013, 10:22:04 pm »
So basically, a creature could potentially get +6 HP for each emblem in play.
With 6 emblems out that can give +36 HP to creatures in the 5 central slots... less to those on edges.

Achieving the maximal +36 this would require a means to spam creatures to every slot surrounding a given creature.
This is certainly doable, but essentially requires filling the entire field up.

On average, we would most likely only see about +2 per emblem since the upper and lower ranks dont often fill up very much for the average deck and average game.
Next, even with a deck packed with 6 of these you would most likely only see about 3 or 4 in a normal game... Yielding +6 to +8

So.... Long and short,
The upper max is +36 HP in extreme cases, The average end game max will be more like +6 to +8 in non-dedicated usage.

I think the problem to be ironed out here is that the discrepency between the maximum and average expected bonuses is VERY large. That may be tricky to balance well.

This thing gives serious rail gun potential if used with alfatoxin, fractal, etc.
The damage output from a +36 HP bonus alone is 27.
For an armagio (unupped) it yields 61 HP, providing a whopping 38 damage.
Using catatitan strategy you would get 86 HP for a total of 47 damage! Almost half of standard player HP.

Now, that may not be game breaking considering the effort needed to accomplish it... but compare it to the average +6 to +8 estimated bonus... Its at least a moderately decent case for needing to rethink things a little bit.

I wouldn't mind seeing bad *** railgun decks, but I'm worried that balancing the Catapult combo may end up leaving the low end usage UP and thus make this card too situational.

Now, if creature placement control ever becomes available, it would change this card's utility significantly... But, sadly I'm not sure its anywhere near the horizon as of yet.
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Re: Iridium Emblem | Vanadium Emblem https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=46835.msg1044688#msg1044688
« Reply #10 on: February 20, 2013, 10:53:13 pm »
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Re: Iridium Emblem | Vanadium Emblem https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=46835.msg1044696#msg1044696
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I will have so much fun with It's A Trap! Emblem Ver.
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