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Hand Shield | Hand Shield https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=60065.msg1210502#msg1210502
« on: October 15, 2015, 06:16:14 pm »
NAME:
Hand Shield
ELEMENT:
Time
COST:
10 :time
TYPE:
Permanent
ATK|HP:

TEXT:
Reduce damage by 1 per 2 cards in your hand.
NAME:
Hand Shield
ELEMENT:
Time
COST:
14 :time
TYPE:
Permanent
ATK|HP:

TEXT:
Reduce damage by 1 per 2 cards in your hand and in your opponent's hand.

ART:

IDEA:
Xray1324
NOTES:
Shield.
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« Last Edit: October 15, 2015, 06:39:46 pm by xray1324 »

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Re: Hand Shield | Hand Shield https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=60065.msg1210508#msg1210508
« Reply #1 on: October 15, 2015, 06:37:12 pm »
1. Is this a shield, i.e meant for the shield slot? You'll have to specify that. If not, does this stack?
2. If this is a shield, I suggest you change the wording to be like Hope-- Shield: physical damage reduced by N/2. N is the number of cards in hand.
3. The cost is too high for the effect.
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Re: Hand Shield | Hand Shield https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=60065.msg1210509#msg1210509
« Reply #2 on: October 15, 2015, 06:39:23 pm »
Answer to 3.
The reason for its cost is because for -3 damage, diamond shield is 6 :earth, and this gives you -4 (-8 max for upped)
so it is designed to be high cost.

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Re: Hand Shield | Hand Shield https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=60065.msg1210510#msg1210510
« Reply #3 on: October 15, 2015, 06:40:25 pm »
That is a terrible name.
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Re: Hand Shield | Hand Shield https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=60065.msg1210518#msg1210518
« Reply #4 on: October 15, 2015, 07:32:37 pm »
Answer to 3.
The reason for its cost is because for -3 damage, diamond shield is 6 :earth, and this gives you -4 (-8 max for upped)
so it is designed to be high cost.
The cost is still too high.
Effectively you are forcing the player to keep a full hand, which either forces a combo or else hinders them from playing cards freely.
That is worth at least a couple of quanta in terms of casting cost balance.
I think power wise this shield is roughly on the same level as diamond shield for the unupgraded version really.

Note that hope shield allows for much higher damage reduction potential than this shield can manage. Granted, its easier for the opponent to counter, but as I mentioned you have a built in double edge here in some sense as well.

I think 7 or 8 is plenty high for the unupgraded version. I would wager you could probabaly even go as low as 6 and still have it be balanced.

The upgraded version is a little tricker since it has a potential for up to twice the impact.
Nightmare combos not withstanding, the opponent has much more control over their own hand, though, so I don't think it should be weighted quite as high.
I think a 2 or 3 quanta cost bump would be plenty there (don't forget that you already get an effective 2 cost balance quanta due to the upgrade).

In terms of what it brings to the game, I like the upgraded version far more. It makes a very nice synnergy with nightmare decks. The cost would probably need to be lowered quite a bit, however, to make it really viable there.
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Re: Hand Shield | Hand Shield https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=60065.msg1219385#msg1219385
« Reply #5 on: January 05, 2016, 12:59:30 pm »
That is a terrible name.

When I read the thread's title, I immediately thought of Kosuke Ueki's Hood.
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Re: Hand Shield | Hand Shield https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=60065.msg1219406#msg1219406
« Reply #6 on: January 05, 2016, 08:11:58 pm »
Answer to 3.
The reason for its cost is because for -3 damage, diamond shield is 6 :earth, and this gives you -4 (-8 max for upped)
so it is designed to be high cost.
I think Hope would be a more apt comparison than Titanium Shield. Remember very few decks sit around with their hand full, so you won't often get the maximum benefit.

The upgrade could have some nasty synergy with nightmare decks.

I'd suggest changing the name to something like "Shield of Lore" or "Arcane Barrier". Generally the card names shouldn't break the Fourth wall.

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Re: Hand Shield | Hand Shield https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=60065.msg1219435#msg1219435
« Reply #7 on: January 06, 2016, 12:14:21 am »
Who's paying for the bills on this card?
Is a shield really worth 10 :time? This isn't fractal. This isn't miracle. Why is this so expensive?
It can only block up to four damage, and who is going to stockpile that many cards in their hand without playing a few, unless they were running an OTK, in which case they'd use Dim Shields instead.

 

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