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Imp | Demon https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36750.msg461256#msg461256
« on: February 17, 2012, 10:57:27 am »
NAME:
Imp
ELEMENT:
Fire
COST:
3   :fire
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
2|3
TEXT:
:fire: Burning Hands:
deal 2 damage to enemy creature this ability does 1 damage to the Imp
NAME:
Demon
ELEMENT:
Fire
COST:
5   :fire
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
3|7
TEXT:
:fire: Inferno:
deal 3 damage to enemy creature this ability does 2 damage to the Demon
ART:
http://maxetormer.deviantart.com/art/Fire-Demon-70016053
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sorta came to me and It seemed like a good idea.
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Re: Imp | Demon https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36750.msg461263#msg461263
« Reply #1 on: February 17, 2012, 11:43:21 am »
Please remove the art unless you can PROVE you have the author's permission to use it.

Why isn't this a Mono :fire card?
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Re: Imp | Demon https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36750.msg461267#msg461267
« Reply #2 on: February 17, 2012, 12:04:58 pm »
1. I was going for synergy with fire
2. the idea for the card for me at the very least fits darkness more
3. fire has decent cc darkness does not so this seemed to fit while also providing an interesting idea at the very least.

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Re: Imp | Demon https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36750.msg461269#msg461269
« Reply #3 on: February 17, 2012, 12:09:03 pm »
removed links to art page untill i can get permission from them thats its ok to use the images is it ok if i just keep the pictures as they are now as templates untill i find diffrent pictures. (incase the artists say no)
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Re: Imp | Demon https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36750.msg461355#msg461355
« Reply #4 on: February 17, 2012, 06:08:34 pm »
removed links to art page untill i can get permission from them thats its ok to use the images is it ok if i just keep the pictures as they are now as templates untill i find diffrent pictures. (incase the artists say no)
No. Remove the art until you get permission.

1. I was going for synergy with fire
2. the idea for the card for me at the very least fits darkness more
3. fire has decent cc darkness does not so this seemed to fit while also providing an interesting idea at the very least.
1) Mono cards have more synergy than duo cards.
2) Each card has 3 parts. Each part must be internally consistent and consistent with the whole.
Ignore the art and name. Do the mechanics fit a Darkness/Fire creature or does it appear like it would make more sense as a Fire creature with a Fire ability. Justify your position.
I see a creature that damages itself to damage another. This is a net loss and is heavily destruction themed.
Fire has a significant Destruction theme. Darkness has a significant theft/manipulation (net zero) theme.
I do not see any thematic connection to Darkness in the mechanics of your creature.
3) Darkness has less CC than Fire but also has a decent amount of CC. Putting a Darkness themed CC in Darkness would make sense but not a Fire themed CC.
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Re: Imp | Demon https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36750.msg461371#msg461371
« Reply #5 on: February 17, 2012, 07:18:25 pm »
removed the art and also this card was going to a mono fire but then i changed it so all make it go back to fire since i cant argue agiasnt your point when the mechanic is soppused to be a fire creature and yet i made it darkness for no good reason.
about the art i got the ok from kuro to use it because the guy hasnt been active on his deviant art profil in over a year quote from kuro in chat. "[13:35:46] Kuroaitou: Provide a link and you're good I guess."
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Re: Imp | Demon https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36750.msg461405#msg461405
« Reply #6 on: February 17, 2012, 08:35:13 pm »
removed the art and also this card was going to a mono fire but then i changed it so all make it go back to fire since i cant argue agiasnt your point when the mechanic is soppused to be a fire creature and yet i made it darkness for no good reason.
about the art i got the ok from kuro to use it because the guy hasnt been active on his deviant art profil in over a year quote from kuro in chat. "[13:35:46] Kuroaitou: Provide a link and you're good I guess."
Don't forget to credit the author in the card image generator.

I disagree with Kuro on in this instance. I am not a curator and neither of us is the art curator. Go ask Emerald Tiger. I would prefer if you find art that you can prove you have permission to use.
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Re: Imp | Demon https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36750.msg461424#msg461424
« Reply #7 on: February 17, 2012, 09:37:31 pm »
removed the art and also this card was going to a mono fire but then i changed it so all make it go back to fire since i cant argue agiasnt your point when the mechanic is soppused to be a fire creature and yet i made it darkness for no good reason.
about the art i got the ok from kuro to use it because the guy hasnt been active on his deviant art profil in over a year quote from kuro in chat. "[13:35:46] Kuroaitou: Provide a link and you're good I guess."
Don't forget to credit the author in the card image generator.

I disagree with Kuro on in this instance. I am not a curator and neither of us is the art curator. Go ask Emerald Tiger. I would prefer if you find art that you can prove you have permission to use.
im all for talking about my inability to find card art but can you at least give me any suggestions on the actaul card please so I now what you think about the ability and the cost to play ratio
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Re: Imp | Demon https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36750.msg461428#msg461428
« Reply #8 on: February 17, 2012, 09:49:42 pm »
I thought it was obvious that I thought it was balanced.
Though the activation cost of the unupped could be reduced further to " :fire:Burning Hands: ..." without being OP.
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Re: Imp | Demon https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36750.msg461447#msg461447
« Reply #9 on: February 17, 2012, 10:44:50 pm »
oh ok then mmm idk i feel that it might be a bit to powerful at  :fire for 2 damage but it does do 1 damage to itself so the max you can use it is 3 times.
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