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Icy Floe|Glacial Floe https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37989.msg476533#msg476533
« on: April 01, 2012, 02:18:18 am »
NAME:
Icy Floe
ELEMENT:
Water
COST:
3 :water
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
1 | 10
TEXT:
Any creatures that target or attack Icy Floe becomes frozen.
NAME:
Glacial Floe
ELEMENT:
Water
COST:
3 :water
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
1 | 15
TEXT:
Any creatures that target or attack Glacial Floe becomes congealed.
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NOTES:
Sort of a water voodoo doll I guess you could say. The skill is also passive. The damage is dealt to Floe AND THEN the creature that attacked floe is frozen/congealed.
Also, a good deck with Icy/Glacial Floe:
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The mark is a water mark.
That way, you can use the novas/supernovas and gain some creatures, use 2 bbs per glacial floe and gravity pull it. Then shockwave the most dangerous creatures. Ball lightnings are there to help you win faster. Mark is water to gain some additional help for growing the forest spectres. And this all works in a 35 card deck. Psssh, too easy!
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Re: Icy Floe|Glacial Floe https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37989.msg476618#msg476618
« Reply #1 on: April 01, 2012, 06:52:44 am »
I don't think it is strong enough. Consider: voodoo doll only costs 2 and it can double the damage of the effects placed on it (berzerk/rage etc.) At the end of the day, opp can simply not target it with creatures. I am happy any time my opponent plays a 1/10(15) creature with no ability for 5. At the very least, lower the cost to 2.

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Re: Icy Floe|Glacial Floe https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37989.msg476621#msg476621
« Reply #2 on: April 01, 2012, 07:11:57 am »
Remember this is also TARGETING. If it mutates it still freezes the creature targeting it. Also, it doesn't have to survive an attack to freeze/congeal the targeter/hitter.
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Re: Icy Floe|Glacial Floe https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37989.msg476664#msg476664
« Reply #3 on: April 01, 2012, 09:23:33 am »
Remember this is also TARGETING. If it mutates it still freezes the creature targeting it. Also, it doesn't have to survive an attack to freeze/congeal the targeter/hitter.
You're going to need to combo it with another card before it can do anything. So lets say you put a rage elixer on it. That costs you 2 cards, 5 :water and 3  :fire, and it only does 6 per turn.
It's just not efficient enough. Compare it to some other 2-card combos:
2* Deadly Poison ( 2 cards + 4  :death, only countered by purify)
2* Immortal (2 unupped cards + 12  :aether for 8 damage that can't be targeted at all)
Abyssal Crawler + Quintessence (2 cards + 4 :water 3 :aether, can't be targeted at all)

And if you don't draw the rage elixir, or you have to use the rage elixir for creature control, then Floe does nothing at all.

Even if you do get the combo out, I can still stop it in all the usual ways: rewind, many shields, antimatter, even eternity and owl's eye. Even if I do target it with one of my creatures, I still messed up 2 of your cards and only messed up 1 of mine; and its my choice; if I'd rather eat the 6/turn and save my squid for your dragons, I can.


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Re: Icy Floe|Glacial Floe https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37989.msg476806#msg476806
« Reply #4 on: April 01, 2012, 07:00:45 pm »
Remember this is also TARGETING. If it mutates it still freezes the creature targeting it. Also, it doesn't have to survive an attack to freeze/congeal the targeter/hitter.
You're going to need to combo it with another card before it can do anything. So lets say you put a rage elixer on it. That costs you 2 cards, 5 :water and 3  :fire, and it only does 6 per turn.
It's just not efficient enough. Compare it to some other 2-card combos:
2* Deadly Poison ( 2 cards + 4  :death, only countered by purify)
2* Immortal (2 unupped cards + 12  :aether for 8 damage that can't be targeted at all)
Abyssal Crawler + Quintessence (2 cards + 4 :water 3 :aether, can't be targeted at all)

And if you don't draw the rage elixir, or you have to use the rage elixir for creature control, then Floe does nothing at all.

Even if you do get the combo out, I can still stop it in all the usual ways: rewind, many shields, antimatter, even eternity and owl's eye. Even if I do target it with one of my creatures, I still messed up 2 of your cards and only messed up 1 of mine; and its my choice; if I'd rather eat the 6/turn and save my squid for your dragons, I can.
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Re: Icy Floe|Glacial Floe https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37989.msg476816#msg476816
« Reply #5 on: April 01, 2012, 07:09:59 pm »
don't be insulted by his suggestion, just slightly decrease the cost. I think 2 would be too little considering that combo.
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Re: Icy Floe|Glacial Floe https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37989.msg476835#msg476835
« Reply #6 on: April 01, 2012, 07:35:46 pm »
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Re: Icy Floe|Glacial Floe https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37989.msg476850#msg476850
« Reply #7 on: April 01, 2012, 08:12:08 pm »
@Arum and then shockwave them all for insta-kill :P

seems like a cool card but it should be balanced by looking at armagio imo

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Re: Icy Floe|Glacial Floe https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37989.msg476870#msg476870
« Reply #8 on: April 01, 2012, 09:07:49 pm »
@Arum and then shockwave them all for insta-kill :P

seems like a cool card but it should be balanced by looking at armagio imo
Cool catch! Didn't even think of that! This would be epic in a sort of rainbow deck. Pop out 2 novas, 1 supernova. Ta-da, 4 quanta. Pull this out, cast BB on it, place G pull on it, wait, and then shockwave highest baddie. :3.
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Re: Icy Floe|Glacial Floe https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37989.msg476874#msg476874
« Reply #9 on: April 01, 2012, 09:16:52 pm »
Glacial Floe doesn't sound like creature, although it's necessary for the effect to actually work.

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Re: Icy Floe|Glacial Floe https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37989.msg476876#msg476876
« Reply #10 on: April 01, 2012, 09:24:12 pm »
Glacial Floe doesn't sound like creature, although it's necessary for the effect to actually work.
Well, there are many things that aren't creatures. Flying weapons? Sparks/Ball lightnings? Photons?

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Re: Icy Floe|Glacial Floe https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37989.msg476878#msg476878
« Reply #11 on: April 01, 2012, 09:27:27 pm »
Yeah, but those are represented by a lone object.  The Icy Floe|Glacial Floe is an event of sorts as opposed to something that could be simplified to a single creature and seems more of a permanent-esque thing.

 

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