Gamble | Massive Gamble

[waterzx]

NAME: Gamble ELEMENT: Entropy COST: 3 TYPE: Spell ATK|HP: TEXT: Both players draw a card. If both cards are not of the same type (spell, creature or permanent), discard both.	NAME: Massive Gamble ELEMENT: Entropy COST: 7 TYPE: Spell ATK|HP: TEXT: Both players keep drawing cards until both players draw the same type of cards (spell, creature or permanent).

ART: IDEA: Waterzx NOTES: Remake of one of my abandoned ideas. I think this card is quite dangerous, especially the upped version. It could lead to one-turn deck-out, although the probability is super small. It can hurt both players or help both. To protect yourself, you are advised to use RT or mindgate before you use this card. The upped version is made to gather opinions while the normal version is the real card that I would use for Crucible. So please comment on both cards. Edit: For the upped version, if your hand is full, the drawing process still continues but you need to discard the cards in hand and not be able to play them until the Massive Gamble effect is over. (Too dangerous, so it won't appear in Crucible) SERIES:

[Rutarete]

what happens if you (both) have a full hand? Do you stop drawing? Do you discard and then let the effect continue?

[waterzx]

what happens if you (both) have a full hand? Do you stop drawing? Do you discard and then let the effect continue?

I edited the OP while you are posting the reply, check it again


Edit : Since it causes discard, I think Sanctuary can stop this card.

[OdinVanguard]

This could be devastating in a "Fat" deck facing a lean rusher. False god and arena decks could use it to devestating effect as well.

[waterzx]

This could be devastating in a "Fat" deck facing a lean rusher. False god and arena decks could use it to devestating effect as well.

Which version are you referring to ? The upped version is definitely devastating but I don't think the normal version is strong enough to ruin a game

[Drake_XIV]

Considering he referred to abuse with False Gods, I'm assuming he means the upgraded card.

I think one way to balance it [upgraded], is if it stopped when at least one of the hands is full.

[dragonsdemesne]

The unupped one is really underpowered and the upped one is really good. 

The unupped one gives a card disadvantage, for one thing, so that would deter a lot of players from using it.  If it doesn't work, you waste 3  and one card for nothing; if it works, you both draw a card and it still costs you one card, and I'm really having trouble imagining any deck that would benefit from this card.

The upped card, on the other hand, has the potential to draw a lot of cards, and thus even though it can cause card disadvantage, it's still well worth it, as you could gain a massive tempo advantage by getting to play the newly drawn cards first.  In addition, if you play it when you have a small hand and your opponent has a bigger hand, and massive gamble triggers enough times, you might even gain a card advantage yourself.  I could see this card working in many different types of decks to great effect, from monoentropy to rainbow to deckout.  I think I would remove the clause about continuing to draw if your hand is full to balance it; if one player's hand fills, then the card effect stops.

[I8SumOrangesNItWasK]

Just a thought (and this is what I assumed you meant when I first read the card): What if the upped card discarded each card drawn if it wasn't the same type? Too OP?

[waterzx]

I'm surprised that Massive Gamble gains more love than the normal Gamble.

Right now we have 4 options for the Massive Gamble power :

Keep drawing until same type of cards are drawn (current version)

Keep drawing until same type of cards are drawn or one hand is full <-- I think this is too similar to SoB

Keep drawing until same type of cards are drawn or 5 cards are drawn

Keep drawing and discard everything unless the cards are of the same type

So, which one would be better ?