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Re: Huginn and Muninn | Huginn and Muninn https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35325.msg446019#msg446019
« Reply #24 on: January 05, 2012, 11:48:29 pm »
When I looked at the initial version of the card I was worried that it would be a little overpowered for being able to lock down the opponent hand completely, but the change to the ability balances it fairly well so that you aren't stealing a card every turn even if you refresh Flight.

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Re: Huginn and Muninn | Huginn and Muninn https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35325.msg446024#msg446024
« Reply #25 on: January 05, 2012, 11:59:04 pm »
I can kinda see a bit of a balance issue. The issue being, if you have enough of them with a rainbow deck, they will practically never have a deck and you have a hand full of usable cards. Even without the rainbow, it could be abused to take away cards to a point of extreme obnoxiousness and spammability.
If you abuse it without a rainbow or mindgate or something to use the cards you get, then abusing it gets both of you nowhere, as both your hands will be clogged up. Also think of Nightmare, which gets to a similar situation:

Your hand gets filled with something you can't play = dead hand.
Your cards get stolen by H&M = dead hand.

Another similar situation is Black Hole; if spammed, then you - might - have no quanta, which = dead hand.
If your target's hand has card he/she/AI would want to keep for later or something, and suddenly their entire hand is gone due to a flock of these, I think it is a different case. Nightmare gives copies, but the original is still here. This card takes cards directly from the opponents hands.

In terms of Black Hole or any Pillar Killers, those are specialized decks here. This is something that could fit in a slightly modified deck. If you still don't want the card, you just discard the crap to free up your hand. Worst case scenario, you get a hand full of Ghosts of the Past.

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Re: Huginn and Muninn | Huginn and Muninn https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35325.msg446457#msg446457
« Reply #26 on: January 07, 2012, 01:10:59 am »
so is the one ready?
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Re: Huginn and Muninn | Huginn and Muninn https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35325.msg446467#msg446467
« Reply #27 on: January 07, 2012, 01:44:10 am »
I think Bobbuny brings up a good point. While cards like Deflagration are cheap because there are some cases (against pillarless decks w/o shields or weapons) they end up as dead draws, Huginn and Muginn will never end up as a dead draw because their ability is universally powerful (like Shard of Sacrifice).

I really don't know if it's balanced or not.

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Re: Huginn and Muninn | Huginn and Muninn https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35325.msg446478#msg446478
« Reply #28 on: January 07, 2012, 02:19:26 am »
so is the one ready?
1 of my points was not answered yet.
The core of the H&M card is the Air activated ability. Usually hybrid casting costs enable mono usage by either element. Why is hybrid casting cost combined with elemental activation cost?
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Re: Huginn and Muninn | Huginn and Muninn https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35325.msg446483#msg446483
« Reply #29 on: January 07, 2012, 02:35:38 am »
Would it be illogical to use :darkness or  to gain Airborne? or since :air is a possibility in (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=32706.0;attach=3393;image) that is enough to use Niime for activation?
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Re: Huginn and Muninn | Huginn and Muninn https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35325.msg446493#msg446493
« Reply #30 on: January 07, 2012, 03:14:44 am »
Would it be illogical to use :darkness or  to gain Airborne? or since :air is a possibility in (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=32706.0;attach=3393;image) that is enough to use Niime for activation?
If :darkness would be able to grant Airborne then the activation cost might be better as (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=32706.0;attach=3393;image).
If :darkness would not be able to grant Airborne then the casting cost might be better as :air.

I am skeptical about whether granting Airborne is Darkness. I am also skeptical about whether Airborne can be temporarily granted. Do these ravens forget how to fly after 2 turns?
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Re: Huginn and Muninn | Huginn and Muninn https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35325.msg446504#msg446504
« Reply #31 on: January 07, 2012, 03:35:16 am »
Would it be illogical to use :darkness or  to gain Airborne? or since :air is a possibility in (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=32706.0;attach=3393;image) that is enough to use Niime for activation?
If :darkness would be able to grant Airborne then the activation cost might be better as (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=32706.0;attach=3393;image).
If :darkness would not be able to grant Airborne then the casting cost might be better as :air.

I am skeptical about whether granting Airborne is Darkness. I am also skeptical about whether Airborne can be temporarily granted. Do these ravens forget how to fly after 2 turns?
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Re: Huginn and Muninn | Huginn and Muninn https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35325.msg446506#msg446506
« Reply #32 on: January 07, 2012, 03:48:08 am »
Would it be illogical to use :darkness or  to gain Airborne? or since :air is a possibility in (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=32706.0;attach=3393;image) that is enough to use Niime for activation?
If :darkness would be able to grant Airborne then the activation cost might be better as (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=32706.0;attach=3393;image).
If :darkness would not be able to grant Airborne then the casting cost might be better as :air.

I am skeptical about whether granting Airborne is Darkness. I am also skeptical about whether Airborne can be temporarily granted. Do these ravens forget how to fly after 2 turns?
Think of it this way, most of the other airborne creatures are pegasi, dragons, or mythical creatures. these are just birds, probably unable to maintain flight in a hostile environment without aid of a little magic/beneficial winds ( :air quanta)
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Re: Huginn and Muninn | Huginn and Muninn https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35325.msg446513#msg446513
« Reply #33 on: January 07, 2012, 04:03:21 am »
OT wants to be convinced why this should be a (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=32706.0;attach=3393;image) card and not a mono :air card.
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Re: Huginn and Muninn | Huginn and Muninn https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35325.msg446515#msg446515
« Reply #34 on: January 07, 2012, 04:08:33 am »
OT wants to be convinced why this should be a (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=32706.0;attach=3393;image) card and not a mono :air card.
Theme is Stealing, Flight.
Steal belongs to :darkness .
Flight belongs to :air .
Given the appropriate theme, one could argue that Steal belongs to Air but Ravens/Blackbirds imply Darkness.

OldTrees however does make a good point - this could easily become an Air card if the type of bird was changed, as well as the implications of the Ability being shifted from Shadows to Winds.

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Re: Huginn and Muninn | Huginn and Muninn https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35325.msg446522#msg446522
« Reply #35 on: January 07, 2012, 04:29:15 am »
OT wants to be convinced why this should be a (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=32706.0;attach=3393;image) card and not a mono :air card.
Not quite.
I think a Hybrid casting cost and an elemental activation cost do not mesh.
Obviously a mono Air card would be one resolution of this tension.
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