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Title: Hijack | Hijack
Post by: Drake_XIV on April 21, 2013, 10:34:56 pm

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NAME: Hijack ELEMENT: Darkness COST: 6 :darkness TYPE: Permanent ATK|HP: TEXT: While this card is in play, target card is now controlled by both players.	NAME: Hijack ELEMENT: Darkness COST: 5 :darkness TYPE: Permanent ATK|HP: TEXT: While this card is in play, target card is now controlled by both players.

ART: IDEA: Drake_XIV NOTES: Targets card when it comes into play. If target card is destroyed, so is Hijack. Creature attacks both Players. Ability can be used by both Players as long as it is their turn and they can pay for it. If a creature, it cannot be sacrificed by Immolation or Catapult If a creature, it cannot be used for Chimera If a creature, if it uses Firefly, Deja Vu, Scarab, or Mitosis, it generates a copy on the side of the one who used it. If a permanent, if Stolen, it is destroyed and spawns a copy on the side of the one who played Steal SERIES:

Title: Re: Hijack | Hijack
Post by: TribalTrouble on April 21, 2013, 10:45:14 pm

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While this card is in play, target card is now controlled by both creatures.

Don't you mean "controlled by both players"? o.O

This looks like a very interesting mechanic, not sure how balanced it is. It can't target immortal creatures or protected permanents, correct?

When you say it attacks both players, do you mean one after the other, or both at the same time each turn?

Title: Re: Hijack | Hijack
Post by: andretimpa on April 21, 2013, 11:15:32 pm

If I target a pillar what happens? Does it affect the whole stack?

If I target my opponent's SoP, can I remove the shard?

It seems a bit situational, as you'd normally not have the quanta to play the abilities. So I think the most important effect to take into account, for balancing, is the PU-like effect that affects both creatures and permanents (maybe take the cost of PU and add 1 quanta?).

Title: Re: Hijack | Hijack
Post by: QueenBee on April 21, 2013, 11:17:51 pm

you do mean both players I assume. Anyways for most things steal is a better card for permanents. for creatures this is an odd choice. when exactly would you want to use this card?

Title: Re: Hijack | Hijack
Post by: Drake_XIV on April 21, 2013, 11:31:52 pm

Quote from: TribalTrouble on April 21, 2013, 10:45:14 pm

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While this card is in play, target card is now controlled by both creatures.

Don't you mean "controlled by both players"? o.O

This looks like a very interesting mechanic, not sure how balanced it is. It can't target immortal creatures or protected permanents, correct?

When you say it attacks both players, do you mean one after the other, or both at the same time each turn?

Derp.  Text fixed.

Yes, it cannot target things that cannot be targeted.

It attacks as if it were one of your own.  So it would attack when you end your turn.

Quote from: andretimpa on April 21, 2013, 11:15:32 pm

If I target a pillar what happens? Does it affect the whole stack?

If I target my opponent's SoP, can I remove the shard?

It seems a bit situational, as you'd normally not have the quanta to play the abilities. So I think the most important effect to take into account, for balancing, is the PU-like effect that affects both creatures and permanents (maybe take the cost of PU and add 1 quanta?).

It will only affect one.  If the stack is targeted by EQ or any other PC, Hijack is destroyed.

Yes, you can remove SoP in this manner.

I have costing 6 since although it is essentially both a PU and Steal, it is essentially easier to get around due to PC.

Quote from: QueenBee on April 21, 2013, 11:17:51 pm

you do mean both players I assume. Anyways for most things steal is a better card for permanents. for creatures this is an odd choice. when exactly would you want to use this card?

One thing I can see this used with is Singularity, since it will attack either player and isn't getting rid of it.  It will also make creatures unable to be Immolated or Pult'd, as well as being used for Chimera.  It can be used as a way to flood both fields with Malignant Cells.  Can technically be used to bump up the effects of Empathetic Bond and Hope.  It is an AI deterrent as it will count that targeted card still as its own.  Et cetera.

Title: Re: Hijack | Hijack
Post by: QueenBee on April 21, 2013, 11:33:25 pm

huh those are interesting uses. kinda high darkness cost to use this card though. really have to dedicate quanta production here

Title: Re: Hijack | Hijack
Post by: Drake_XIV on April 21, 2013, 11:34:59 pm

Well, you are taking control of a card [or granting control in some cases], so 'exchange' of control will be a tad expensive.

Title: Re: Hijack | Hijack
Post by: QueenBee on April 21, 2013, 11:36:43 pm

Quote from: Drake_XIV on April 21, 2013, 11:34:59 pm

Well, you are taking control of a card [or granting control in some cases], so 'exchange' of control will be a tad expensive.

true true. is this better in duos or more rainbowy decks?

Title: Re: Hijack | Hijack
Post by: Drake_XIV on April 21, 2013, 11:46:33 pm

That will require some playtesting, but I'm guessing it could be used in some Duos effectively.  Too expensive to just be splashed into most Bows.

Title: Re: Hijack | Hijack
Post by: QueenBee on April 21, 2013, 11:48:18 pm

will this take up a creature slot on both sides of the field?

Title: Re: Hijack | Hijack
Post by: Drake_XIV on April 21, 2013, 11:49:56 pm

No, it will maintain its position of where it was played, but it will be given the Hijacked passive to signify that it is the target.

Title: Re: Hijack | Hijack
Post by: QueenBee on April 21, 2013, 11:54:31 pm

so if you play a chimera after using this card on your opponents guy, do you get +1X the creature or +2X the creature? like are you destroying your opponents creature and your hijacked card as separate things? if that makes sense.

Title: Re: Hijack | Hijack
Post by: QueenBee on April 21, 2013, 11:55:09 pm

also reminds me of this: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,48454.0.html

Title: Re: Hijack | Hijack
Post by: Drake_XIV on April 21, 2013, 11:55:20 pm

The creature targeted with Hijack, no matter what side of the field it is, is not consumed by Chimera.  Please read the NOTES.

Title: Re: Hijack | Hijack
Post by: QueenBee on April 21, 2013, 11:59:12 pm

Quote from: Drake_XIV on April 21, 2013, 11:55:20 pm

The creature targeted with Hijack, no matter what side of the field it is, is not consumed by Chimera.  Please read the NOTES.

oh I read " as well as being used for Chimera." as like a bonus.

Not making it work with chimera seems like you're just taking away a possible combo.

Title: Re: Hijack | Hijack
Post by: andretimpa on April 22, 2013, 12:05:58 am

Quote from: Drake_XIV on April 21, 2013, 11:31:52 pm

I have costing 6 since although it is essentially both a PU and Steal, it is essentially easier to get around due to PC.

But if you only have CC you need to kill your creature to get around it (no problem here with permanents).

This got me thinking. What happens if I steal hijack? Do I get to choose a new card to control? What if I hijack a Hijack? (hijacktion)

Quote from: QueenBee on April 21, 2013, 11:33:25 pm

huh those are interesting uses. kinda high darkness cost to use this card though. really have to dedicate quanta production here

I think that this is what it should cost at a minimum, as it is as strong as PU when applied in a creature, but more flexible.


Would this give players any visual cues? Like a  :darkness status icon on the creature/permanent?

Title: Re: Hijack | Hijack
Post by: QueenBee on April 22, 2013, 12:08:10 am

oh how does this work with pandemonium and voodoo dolls?

Title: Re: Hijack | Hijack
Post by: Drake_XIV on April 22, 2013, 12:11:07 am

Hijack would be destroyed then replayed, so you get to choose a new target.

If you Hijack a Hijack, the Hijack that got Hijack'd would still be Hijack-ing a card despite a second Hijack Hijack-ing the Hijack played first, before it was Hijack'd by a second Hijack. ... Hijack.

The target card will be given the passive 'Hijacked.'  Although, thinking again, there needs to be something done for permanents, so maybe it will just be a :darkness icon.  or the word Hijacked would appear right above the card.  As opposed to ability names, which appear below it.

Pandemonium would affect how the field is arranged.  The Hijacked card is not owned by both Players, it is only controlled by both Players.

Voodoo doll's passive will be dealt to the opponent of the owner.

Title: Re: Hijack | Hijack
Post by: QueenBee on April 22, 2013, 12:14:52 am

so basically the monster is just as normal, but when the hijacker starts attacking it swaps to his side of the field for the attack and then goes back? in terms of how all the interactions work.

is shield interaction like normal?

Title: Re: Hijack | Hijack
Post by: Drake_XIV on April 22, 2013, 12:25:52 am

In terms of how it behaves, it technically does swap sides, albeit not physically.

Shield interactions would be normal.

Title: Re: Hijack | Hijack
Post by: QueenBee on April 22, 2013, 12:28:47 am

okay so a ghost that shows up on your side of the field when you attack.

would an option to kill the ghost off be out of place or too complicated? (only by the person with the hijack card)

Title: Re: Hijack | Hijack
Post by: Drake_XIV on April 22, 2013, 12:29:51 am

Nothing would physically appear on the opposing side of the targeted card, so nothing to 'kill.'

Title: Re: Hijack | Hijack
Post by: QueenBee on April 22, 2013, 12:31:20 am

Quote from: Drake_XIV on April 22, 2013, 12:29:51 am

Nothing would physically appear on the opposing side of the targeted card, so nothing to 'kill.'

yeah I mean like can you stop hijacking the guy :P

Title: Re: Hijack | Hijack
Post by: Drake_XIV on April 22, 2013, 12:37:28 am

... read the NOTES

Title: Re: Hijack | Hijack
Post by: QueenBee on April 22, 2013, 12:44:21 am

Quote from: Drake_XIV on April 22, 2013, 12:37:28 am

... read the NOTES

I mean as an added feature, not an already existing one.

also who has time to read notes? :D

Title: Re: Hijack | Hijack
Post by: GamerJL on April 22, 2013, 12:49:30 am

I think Hijacking means Robbing or stealing a vehicle.
why would it attack the hijacker?

Title: Re: Hijack | Hijack
Post by: Drake_XIV on April 22, 2013, 12:53:36 am

Quote from: QueenBee on April 22, 2013, 12:44:21 am

Quote from: Drake_XIV on April 22, 2013, 12:37:28 am

... read the NOTES

I mean as an added feature, not an already existing one.

also who has time to read notes? :D

... people browsing this board and are commenting on ideas that have questions regarding the mechanic of the card.

Quote from: GamerJL on April 22, 2013, 12:49:30 am

I think Hijacking means Robbing or stealing a vehicle.
why would it attack the hijacker?

To hijack is to forcibly take control of something.  My idea is that it isn't a complete hijacking, the card still retains some control over the card.

Think two people trying to steer the same car or something.

Title: Re: Hijack | Hijack
Post by: GamerJL on April 22, 2013, 12:54:48 am

Doesnt make sense...
brain fart*

Title: Re: Hijack | Hijack
Post by: QueenBee on April 22, 2013, 12:56:00 am

    annex, appropriate, arrogate, borrow, clap hands on, commandeer, confiscate, expropriate, get fingers on, get hands on, glom onto, grab, grab hold of, hijack , kipe, liberate, moonlight requisition, preempt, seize, snatch, swipe, take over, usurp

that's enough bolding :P

Title: Re: Hijack | Hijack
Post by: Drake_XIV on April 22, 2013, 12:57:11 am

And those emphasize a more, I feel, severe version a card and indicate complete control over the card.

Title: Re: Hijack | Hijack
Post by: QueenBee on April 22, 2013, 12:58:45 am

Quote from: Drake_XIV on April 22, 2013, 12:57:11 am

And those emphasize a more, I feel, severe version a card and indicate complete control over the card.

hijack is pretty severe to me and also sounds a little funky as a card name. all a matter of preference though

Title: Re: Hijack | Hijack
Post by: CuCN on April 22, 2013, 02:08:11 am

Some questions:
Does the targeted card still take up a creature/permanent slot?
If the targeted card is a Phoenix and it dies, is the Ash also Hijacked?
Would a Hijacked creature with Gravity Pull take damage from both sides?
If a Bone Wall was targeted what would happen?

Title: Re: Hijack | Hijack
Post by: Drake_XIV on April 22, 2013, 02:10:56 am

Quote from: CuCN on April 22, 2013, 02:08:11 am

Some questions:
Does the targeted card still take up a creature/permanent slot?
If the targeted card is a Phoenix and it dies, is the Ash also Hijacked?
Would a Hijacked creature with Gravity Pull take damage from both sides?
If a Bone Wall was targeted what would happen?

The targeted card remains in its slot during the duration of the Hijacking.  All that changes is how it interacts.

When the Phoenix dies, it is no longer Hijacked, removing Hijack from the field.

No, a Hijacked creature with GPull would only take damage from the player that does not own it.

If Bone Wall is targeted, the stack blocks attacks from both sides.

Title: Re: Hijack | Hijack
Post by: QueenBee on April 23, 2013, 10:31:14 am

if you use it on a Fahrenheit whose quanta determines the damage?
how does it work with deja vu?

if you use mutation on it does hijack die or do you continue hijacking the now mutated thing

Title: Re: Hijack | Hijack
Post by: Drake_XIV on April 23, 2013, 03:04:32 pm

When used on Fahrenheit, it depends on whose turn it is.

When used with Deja Vu, the copy is made on the side who used the ability.

Mutation will remove Hijack.

Title: Re: Hijack | Hijack
Post by: OdinVanguard on April 23, 2013, 06:42:41 pm

What happens if you use this on a voodoo doll?

Quote from: Drake_XIV on April 22, 2013, 12:11:07 am

Voodoo doll's passive will be dealt to the opponent of the owner.

Sorry, I must have missed that post.

Also, if you hijack a cloak, will it reset the duration (which is what happens with steal)?

Lots of little details to work out on the mechanics on this one, but I think it will be a very good card once that is finished.

Another fun  spinoff would be an :entropy twin ... maybe something like "Schizophrenia". It would make the target occassionally switch sides  at the start of each player's turn.

Title: Re: Hijack | Hijack
Post by: OldTrees on April 23, 2013, 07:00:58 pm

1) If I have Dusk Shield and I Hijack my opponent's Fog Shield, what is the miss chance to hit me and why?

Quote from: OdinVanguard on April 23, 2013, 06:42:41 pm

What happens if you use this on a voodoo doll?

Quote from: Drake_XIV on April 22, 2013, 12:11:07 am

Pandemonium would affect how the field is arranged.  The Hijacked card is not owned by both Players, it is only controlled by both Players.

Voodoo doll's passive will be dealt to the opponent of the owner.

Title: Re: Hijack | Hijack
Post by: skyironsword on April 23, 2013, 09:23:38 pm

Diamond shield, hijack opponent's gravity shield... You got a small hitbox there :o

Title: Re: Hijack | Hijack
Post by: Drake_XIV on April 23, 2013, 09:42:55 pm

I will, for now, have it that the equipped shield has priority over the Hijacked shield.  If there is no equipped shield, the Hijacked shield will take precedence.