Hero

[Zignaught]

Linked to http://elementscommunity.org/forum/card-ideas-and-art/osin-totem-osin-totem/24/


This idea should be sorted and implemented with a hero for each element including other. Base it of MTG Commander. Your card starts in your commander Zone until you can cast it. When it dies or is removed from the game it is put back and can be recast at the price of more Mana. MAIN DIFFERNCE is that Commander can be any legendary creature. But as we all know ETG is very limited on new cards. So each "Hero" Needs something that not only assists it's mark but also assists it's mechanics. Let's get the ball rolling on Mono, we can work towards mixing syngerstic leads later.
Please remember these are idea's to get the idea's rolling.
 Hero Idea's
 Hero randomly converts opponents quanta each turn. (Passive) Active  Chaos Seed target creature. Not perfect but it's an idea
  Hero generates 2 when a creature dies. (passive) Active  target get's 2 poison
 Hero absorbs 3 random quanta and gives you 3 life (Passive) Active  Grant target creature momentum
 Hero gives you 1 hp for every  (Passive) Active:  Destroy 2 pendulums or pillars in a cluster
 Hero for each creature that comes into play you gain  (Passive) Active:  you gain life equal to the creatures you control
  Hero: for every 3 you gain do 1 damage (Passive) Active:  Ablaze a creature with HP less than 4
  Hero deals 1 damage to all frozen creatures per turn (Passive) Active  freeze target creature
  Hero gives all creatures without skills you control luminescence (Passive) Active  heal 
  Hero gives you  for each flying creature you control (Passive) Active  double target flying creatures attack and strength
  Hero lets you see opponents hand (Passive)  Draw a card
  Hero grants nightfall (Passive)  Drain Life
  Hero randomly gives one creature you control immaterial (Passive)  lobotomize

And before we go jumping of the deep end with the argument that these are OP or unfair. Hero's are supposed to give an advantage to their assigned element. I haven't even begun to discuss attack and HP and casting cost. But this is the general idea you would want for a game like this. And to be honest, with the hero mentioned on this thread and some of the idea's here I think that this idea should be worked on to be implemented as soon as possible. Consider doing a tournament style only with heroes or a Hero's League. Then maybe work towards integrating to the normal game for casual players.

[andretimpa]

Relevant (at least themewise)

http://elementscommunity.org/forum/series/archetype-series/

The light hero may be a bit OP, since its skill is passive and combos with hope. (you could make an unupped photon/Fractal/Hope deck that works well).

[Zignaught]

These are just preliminary idea's to get the gears turning. I agree that photon hope would be op with this hero. So maybe instead of all creatures gain, the hero just gives you 1  each turn for each creature into play so you can't just fractal photon, hero hope. Talk about a bad day.

Relevant (at least themewise)

http://elementscommunity.org/forum/series/archetype-series/

The light hero may be a bit OP, since its skill is passive and combos with hope. (you could make an unupped photon/Fractal/Hope deck that works well).

But I want to hear and see suggestions as well for each one. I think after we have maybe 2 or 3 per element I will do a poll to see which ones people like the most. This is going to take some time to develop but I think the reward is going to be great!

[Higurashi]

Change all the "target all" abilities to "target one" and you instantly have a better balance. Having Aether Hero in any kind of rush would be OP as hell, especially considering the massive attack boost and shield bypass SoW offers. If you could make one creature invulnerable per turn, however, it would be just like a Turquoise Nymph. Same with Light Nymph: one creature per turn would be fine and still strong.

Entropy Hero needs to have one of the two abilities, and if it's the Discord effect it has to be weaker. I suggest scrambling 4, assuming Heroes cannot be brought out very fast. Depending on how fast, it could possibly be scrambling 5-6. Continuing with the assumption that they're not very fast:

Earth, Water, Air, Time and Darkness Heroes are very powerful, mainly their actives. Steal on a stick definitely needs to cost more, especially considering it's strictly superior to the Earth Hero's ability.

[Zignaught]

Change all the "target all" abilities to "target one" and you instantly have a better balance. Having Aether Hero in any kind of rush would be OP as hell, especially considering the massive attack boost and shield bypass SoW offers. If you could make one creature invulnerable per turn, however, it would be just like a Turquoise Nymph. Same with Light Nymph: one creature per turn would be fine and still strong.

Entropy Hero needs to have one of the two abilities, and if it's the Discord effect it has to be weaker. I suggest scrambling 4, assuming Heroes cannot be brought out very fast. Depending on how fast, it could possibly be scrambling 5-6. Continuing with the assumption that they're not very fast:

Earth, Water, Air, Time and Darkness Heroes are very powerful, mainly their actives. Steal on a stick definitely needs to cost more, especially considering it's strictly superior to the Earth Hero's ability.

Minor Edits made, need more feedback on Earth Water Air Time and Darkness. Also was curious about your thoughts on Death and Fire Life and Gravity Hero

[Higurashi]

Drain Life on a stick is even stronger than Steal on a stick and easily OP. Pumpable bolt spells are only balanced by not being able to pack more than 6. Compare with the strong Water Hero to see that it's very OP.

Earth, Water, Air, and Time are fine IF Heroes are fairly expensive to play. However, it's also important how easy they are to get rid of. If they can be dealt with like a creature and they don't have sick amounts of HP (but still 7 or more), I would say cost should be around 15-20 quanta. If there's a requirement to play them besides quanta, I could see cost at 10 quanta. We really need to define the mechanics before discussing balance.

[Zignaught]

Drain Life on a stick is even stronger than Steal on a stick and easily OP. Pumpable bolt spells are only balanced by not being able to pack more than 6. Compare with the strong Water Hero to see that it's very OP.

Earth, Water, Air, and Time are fine IF Heroes are fairly expensive to play. However, it's also important how easy they are to get rid of. If they can be dealt with like a creature and they don't have sick amounts of HP (but still 7 or more), I would say cost should be around 15-20 quanta. If there's a requirement to play them besides quanta, I could see cost at 10 quanta. We really need to define the mechanics before discussing balance.

Maybe  gives target creature liquid shadow?

Change all the "target all" abilities to "target one" and you instantly have a better balance. Having Aether Hero in any kind of rush would be OP as hell

Entropy Hero needs to have one of the two abilities, and if it's the Discord effect it has to be weaker. I suggest scrambling 4, assuming Heroes cannot be brought out very fast. Depending on how fast, it could possibly be scrambling 5-6. Continuing with the assumption that they're not very fast:

Hero's would inherently cost more than a weapon. I don't think that if the final version got the discord ability, that it would be all that bad. You can put out discord faster than the hero, when it comes time to assign Quanta cost to each Hero.

I was also thinking for  maybe plague instead of poison.

I am thinking that the Hero cannot be targeted by fractal. That way even when it becomes a creature you can't spam it. Also thinking that mitosis and deja vu can't be afflicted on it either.

I came up with this initial list at 3am my time so it's really rough.

[Zignaught]

I am thinking that the lowest of costs for a hero might be something like 9. After a hero is killed once, it's cost rises 1 more and maybe starts to dip into your life.

[Zignaught]

I'll start posting Hero card ideas shortly. I won't have any art for them, as I don't really care to try and come up with hero art in MS Paint. But it will be a significant step forward in assigning costs and such.

Hero Zone would need to be added.

Also I don't think we need to worry about upgraded hero cards ATM if we go the route of Hero League. But I can post Upgraded Heroes if desired.

[Nepycros]

Relevant (at least themewise)

http://elementscommunity.org/forum/series/archetype-series/

The light hero may be a bit OP, since its skill is passive and combos with hope. (you could make an unupped photon/Fractal/Hope deck that works well).

Oh hey, thanks for the link! The dead project sure could use publicity. XD

But in all seriousness, any of the ideas in that thread are free game.

[Zignaught]

But in all seriousness, any of the ideas in that thread are free game.

Feel free to put in ideas! The more the merrier. We can sort them out as they come along.

[Zignaught]

Hero Series First Round Draft.
Please ignore the creature costs on some of the heroes that are not in creature form. I had some minor issues with the card creator. Please feel free to post your own ideas of what each hero should be. If this is something you want to see in game, it should be something that you want. Not everybody is going to want the same thing, but better to speak up and be heard now, than towards the end when things are about set in  .

  Pleabios The Random

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NAME: Pleabios The Random ELEMENT: Entropy COST: 0 TYPE: Permanent ATK|HP: TEXT: :Battle Cry	NAME: Pleabios The Random ELEMENT: Entropy COST: X TYPE: Creature ATK|HP: 3 | 7 TEXT: Chaos Seed Discord

ART: IDEA: Zignaught NOTES: Need art. All cards are up for change and ideas as well as atk|hp Battle Cry puts your hero into play. If a hero is killed, or becomes the target of reverse time, the hero goes back to the Hero Zone. If a hero would be put into your hand by any card except for reverse time. (ie fractal, nightmare) it generates random cards with the same quanta identity equal to the cards quanta identity. SERIES: Hero

Lich, King of the Dead

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NAME: Lich, King of the Dead ELEMENT: Death COST: 0 TYPE: Permanent ATK|HP: TEXT:   :Battle Cry	NAME: Lich, King of the Dead ELEMENT: Death COST: X TYPE: Creature ATK|HP: 4 | 6 TEXT: Plague Death Catcher

ART: IDEA: Zignaught NOTES: Need Art SERIES: Hero

Gravaclues The Formidable

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NAME: Gravaclues The Formidable ELEMENT: Gravity COST: 0 TYPE: Permanent ATK|HP: TEXT:     :Battle Cry	NAME: Gravaclues The Formidable ELEMENT: Gravity COST: 0 TYPE: Creature ATK|HP: 6 | 10 TEXT: : Momentum Black Hole

ART: IDEA: Zignaught NOTES: Needs Art SERIES: Hero

Terra Rex, King of Earth

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NAME: Terra Rex, King of Earth ELEMENT: Earth COST: 0 TYPE: Permanent ATK|HP: TEXT: :Battle Cry	NAME: Terra Rex, King of Earth ELEMENT: Earth COST: 0 TYPE: Creature ATK|HP: 4|6 TEXT: : Mudslide (destroy 2 pendulums or pillars in a target cluster) Stone Skin

ART: IDEA: Zignaught NOTES: Art Needed SERIES: Hero

Viridus Regina

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NAME: Viridus Regina ELEMENT: Life COST: 0 TYPE: Creature ATK|HP: 0 | 0 TEXT: : Battle Cry	NAME: Viridus Regina ELEMENT: Life COST: 0 TYPE: Creature ATK|HP: 7 | 5 TEXT: : Gain life equal to the amount of creatures you contorl.

ART: IDEA: Zignaught NOTES: Art needed. Fidem gives you  quanta for each creature that comes into play under your control. SERIES: Hero

Kasai, Master of Flames

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NAME: Kasai, Master of Flames ELEMENT: Fire COST: 0 TYPE: Creature ATK|HP: 0 | 0 TEXT:   : Battle Cry	NAME: Kasai, Master of Flames ELEMENT: Fire COST: 0 TYPE: Creature ATK|HP: 4| 7 TEXT: : Ablaze a target creature with HP 4 or less. Smolder

ART: IDEA: Zignaught NOTES: Art Needed Smolder deals 1 damage for every 3  you gain while he is in play. SERIES: Hero

  Kanaloa

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NAME: Kanaloa ELEMENT: Water COST: 0 TYPE: Permanent ATK|HP: TEXT: : Battle Cry	NAME: Kanaloa ELEMENT: Water COST: 0 TYPE: Creature ATK|HP: 5| 7 TEXT: : Freeze Crevasse

ART: IDEA: Zignaught NOTES: Art Needed Crevasse deals 1 damage to all frozen creatures at the end of the turn. (including yours) SERIES: Hero

  Cassiel

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NAME: Cassiel ELEMENT: Light COST: 0 TYPE: Permanent ATK|HP: TEXT: : Battle Cry	NAME: Cassiel ELEMENT: Light COST: 0 TYPE: Creature ATK|HP: 8 | 5 TEXT: :Heal Angel Tears

ART: IDEA: Zignaught NOTES: Art Needed Angel Tears: Randomly Blesses a creature you control. (can not bless one creature more than 2 times in 3 turns.) SERIES: Hero

  Atahensic

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NAME: Atahensic ELEMENT: Air COST: 0 TYPE: Permanent ATK|HP: TEXT: : Battle Cry	NAME: Atahensic ELEMENT: Air COST: 0 TYPE: Creature ATK|HP: 4| 8 TEXT: : Give target airborne creature +2|+2 Breeze

ART: IDEA: NOTES: Art Needed. Breeze gives you 1  for each flying creature you control. SERIES: Hero

  Chronos

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NAME: Chronos ELEMENT: Time COST: 0 TYPE: Permanent ATK|HP: TEXT: : Battle Cry	NAME: Chronos ELEMENT: Time COST: 0 TYPE: Creature ATK|HP: 2| 8 TEXT: : Draw a card Precognition

ART: IDEA: Zignaught NOTES: Art Needed SERIES: Hero

  Nyx

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NAME: Nyx ELEMENT: Darkness COST: 0 TYPE: Permanent ATK|HP: TEXT: : Battle Cry	NAME: Nyx ELEMENT: Darkness COST: 0 TYPE: Creature ATK|HP: 4| 7 TEXT: : Liquid Shadow Nightfall

ART: IDEA: Zignaught NOTES: Art Needed Thinking about switching to cloak instead of Nightfall for her ability. (except for her. I am thinking that if you use like Rain of Fire or another ability that removes cloak, it removes cloak until it is the turn of the person who has played Nyx. SERIES: Hero

  Äkasagarbha

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NAME: Ākāśagarbha ELEMENT: Aether COST: 0 TYPE: Permanent ATK|HP: TEXT: : Battle Cry	NAME: Ākāśagarbha ELEMENT: Aether COST: 0 TYPE: Creature ATK|HP: 5| 5 TEXT: :Lobotomize Circular Logic

ART: IDEA: Zignaught NOTES: Art Needed. Circular Logic randomly gives a creature you control immaterial at the end of each turn. SERIES: Hero