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Witch Doctor | Witch Doctor https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=57057.msg1170815#msg1170815
« on: December 12, 2014, 07:45:40 am »
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TYPE:
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ATK|HP:
3 | 5
TEXT:
:death : Witch Medicine
Heal target creature for 8. This creature takes 2 poison.
NAME:
Witch Doctor
ELEMENT:
Death
COST:
4 :death
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
3 | 5
TEXT:
:death : Witch Medicine
Heal target creature for 8. This creature takes 2 poison.

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Re: Witch Doctor | Witch Doctor https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=57057.msg1170816#msg1170816
« Reply #1 on: December 12, 2014, 07:49:41 am »
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Re: Witch Doctor | Witch Doctor https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=57057.msg1170822#msg1170822
« Reply #2 on: December 12, 2014, 09:21:23 am »
If it was a cheap spell I could find a use with Voodools and Adrenaline. Right now where would you use it?
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Re: Witch Doctor | Witch Doctor https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=57057.msg1170827#msg1170827
« Reply #3 on: December 12, 2014, 11:34:13 am »
witch (pun) creature gets poisoned?
If its the target this would be powerful CC healing a weak creature for 0 and then giving it a less flashy aflatoxin.
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Re: Witch Doctor | Witch Doctor https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=57057.msg1170830#msg1170830
« Reply #4 on: December 12, 2014, 12:05:33 pm »
This is like a weaker but more accessible version of grey nymph, while also being cheaper. I see it as a good addition to a Parawall deck, given that the more expensive nymph is also good on it.
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Re: Witch Doctor | Witch Doctor https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=57057.msg1170831#msg1170831
« Reply #5 on: December 12, 2014, 12:12:34 pm »
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Re: Witch Doctor | Witch Doctor https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=57057.msg1170850#msg1170850
« Reply #6 on: December 12, 2014, 09:07:46 pm »
witch (pun) creature gets poisoned?
If its the target this would be powerful CC healing a weak creature for 0 and then giving it a less flashy aflatoxin.
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I'm assuming the creature that gets healed also gets poison, but now that I reread I can see its very confusing, so clarification would be good here.

Doest the witch get poisoned or the healed creature?

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This is like a weaker but more accessible version of grey nymph, while also being cheaper. I see it as a good addition to a Parawall deck, given that the more expensive nymph is also good on it.
I would go with timpa on this one.
I agree that its a little UP for most general uses... better to just go with parasite of aflatoxin / grey nymph, but I can see building a few decks around it that could be very potent.
Voodoo is one of them. It also has a little railgun possibility too. Imagine flinging a voodoo doll at the opponent after its gone through 5 or 6 turns of punishment from this.
A 5 to 6 turn turning point is probably a good target since thats about on par with BB turnaround.

Stats right now:
Turn:    1    2    3    4    5    6
psn :    2    4    6    8   10   12
heal:    8  16  24  32   40   48
dmg:    2    6   12  20   30  42
Net:    -6   -10 -12 -12 -10 -6

For turn N
psn: 2N
heal: 8N
dmg: 2(N+1)*N/2

Right now, damage will overtake healing when:
8N = 2(N+1)*N/2 -> N = 7.
Seven turns is almost the average length of a game, so this is really not great as a CC against large creatures, but might be useful against small targets.
It will kill creatures with 4 or less HPs in 2 turns, and creatures with 6 or fewer hps in 3 turns. Which isn't too bad for unupped meta.

I wonder if it would become OP if you bumped the poison output from 2 to 3 and healing from 8 to 10 for the upped version.

Then for unupped: 3 N * (N+1) /2 = 10N -> N=17/3 or roughly 5 to 6 turns before damage overtakes healing. That seems like a nice turnaround and it emphasizes that upgrading accelerates both the instant heal but also the eventual inevitable decay.
Moreover, creatures in upped meta tend to have more HPs on average, so the acceleration helps maintain its utility.
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Re: Witch Doctor | Witch Doctor https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=57057.msg1171125#msg1171125
« Reply #7 on: December 14, 2014, 03:21:38 pm »
witch (pun) creature gets poisoned?
If its the target this would be powerful CC healing a weak creature for 0 and then giving it a less flashy aflatoxin.
^
I'm assuming the creature that gets healed also gets poison, but now that I reread I can see its very confusing, so clarification would be good here.
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Right now, damage will overtake healing when:
8N = 2(N+1)*N/2 -> N = 7.
Seven turns is almost the average length of a game, so this is really not great as a CC against large creatures, but might be useful against small targets.
It will kill creatures with 4 or less HPs in 2 turns, and creatures with 6 or fewer hps in 3 turns. Which isn't too bad for unupped meta.
This is potent CC, as you don't have to heal every turn. You can use this twice then sit back a turn to kill a 8hp creature in 3 turns.

TtK   MaxHp  Used
 1        2        1
 2        4        1|2
 3        8        2
 4      12        2|3
 5      18        3
 6      24        3|4
 7      32        4
 8      40        4|5

So you have another option to kill big creatures beside RT, but it takes its time to actually kill anything. Obv this speeds up with more than 1 copy.

 

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