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Offering // Sacrifice // Lamb https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=3713.msg34664#msg34664
« on: March 07, 2010, 04:02:06 pm »
Card: Offering
Element: Death
Type: Spell
Cost: 7 Death
Effect: Sacrifice one of your creatures. Ignore the quanta cost of the next card you play.

Card: Sacrifice
Element: Death
Type: Spell
Cost: 6 Death
Effect: Sacrifice one of your creatures. Ignore the quanta cost of the next card you play.

Card: Lamb
Element: Life
Type: Creature
Cost: 4 Life
Attack/Health: 0/1
Ability/Cost: Sacrifice/3 death
Ability Effect: When this card is destroyed, ignore the quanta cost of the next card you play.
In other words, you can either activate its effect to destroy it (it is self targeting), or let your opponent destroy it. Or you could kill it by other means, such as an oty, thereby making it stronger and letting your next card be free. Another option is to just leave it on the field if you think your opponent has an area effect spell such as RoF; they might think twice about killing it then.

Oh and the upgraded card of Lamb would probably be improved health or decreased ability cost... or you could make it so that the normal one has the sacrifice ability that costs 3 death, and the upgraded one's ability only activates when it dies (it can't kill itself). That would make it more of a decision on whether you'd like to use upgraded lambs or regular ones.

Anyway, have at it.

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Re: Offering // Sacrifice // Lamb https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=3713.msg34672#msg34672
« Reply #1 on: March 07, 2010, 04:19:01 pm »
Just like Immolation, just with Skeletons and Bone Dragons instead of Photons/Asheaters and Two Lava Golems.

...well, it's not worthwhile to use it to cast anything cheaper than a Bone Dragon. However, due to the effect, it lets you play anything, even a Miracle or such...

I'd say it's good/horribly broken/verging. A Death deck playing EPDs would be really fuuny.

Lamb, as you said, would be highly comboable with Otyughs and such things to play it, eat it with Otyugh that was there ready, and immediately play something costly like a Miracle or an EPD. This way all you pay is 5 Gravity and then 4 Life per EPD/Miracle.

EPD - Elite Phase Dragon incase

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Re: Offering // Sacrifice // Lamb https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=3713.msg34678#msg34678
« Reply #2 on: March 07, 2010, 04:50:04 pm »
I don't think it's OP because anyone can use these cards as long as you take either death or life in your deck. Not to mention that these cards take up space in your deck, so you sorta have to take some other stuff out to use them... Besides, eating them with your oty means you don't eat one of your opponent's creatures that turn (if they have any you can eat). It would also make Life more versatile... all it has is small creatures, healing, a decent shield, and adrenaline... Not much synergy with other elements except those that have Life as an ability cost, but I don't think there are any life cards with ability costs outside of their element.

It would also be difficult to make a deck based around lamb and using it to summon one powerful dragon. You'd need life quanta, death quanta (unless you take something that can kill it, but that requires ANOTHER quanta), and the powerful cards you want to play. It would be pretty difficult to fit all of that into one deck efficiently... it would probably be faster to have a speed deck... but I could be wrong.

Making a deck around Sacrifice is a little more feasible though... It doesn't lower your cost by too much for most stuff I think... Lamb is something you'd put into a rainbow or something.

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Re: Offering // Sacrifice // Lamb https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=3713.msg34681#msg34681
« Reply #3 on: March 07, 2010, 05:03:58 pm »
Just because "everyone can use it" doesn't mean it isn't OP. Anyone can use pretty much any card, some are just harder to get a hold of.

You can make it so just the 3 death, or whatever else it costs; kills it. As in, if it dies by any other way, it doesn't get activated.

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Re: Offering // Sacrifice // Lamb https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=3713.msg34687#msg34687
« Reply #4 on: March 07, 2010, 05:15:10 pm »
Then please explain how it is OP. Although I think it might be good to raise the cost of the spell card one or two quanta... I forgot photon and those type of creatures are free.

I'm pretty sure the lamb card is balanced for the most part, but like I said, it would be fine if the upgraded version had one part of the ability while the regular version had the other part (one kills itself to activate the effect, the other waits to be killed).

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Re: Offering // Sacrifice // Lamb https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=3713.msg34702#msg34702
« Reply #5 on: March 07, 2010, 05:53:35 pm »
Both cards are overpowered for a few different reasons. I'll admit I'm fairly new to this game, so I could be wrong, but I'll list a few.

Darkness becomes all of a sudden able to use all permanents, spells and creatures in the game without splashing in another color, just add photons and sacrifice. Imagine, a darkness deck being at low health, and all of a sudden it casts miracle. Or it's being screwed by an army of fireflies and it drops a RoF, how can you possibly be prepared for that type of thing?

Lamb has a very similar function for light.

Upon further thought, I'm not sure that the cards quantum saving mechanics will be a big deal, but the way they allow these colors to have access to many other powerful cards without splashing in other colors makes them potentially very overpowered.

One of the things I can have a lot of confidence in while playing is while I'm playing a mono-green deck or a mono light deck I can expect no permanent removal or creature removal, entropy and death has no permanent removal, earth has the only earthquakes, gravity has the only otys (well scarabs maybe, but they still need gravity quanta) etc...

Colors have certain capabilities and limits, these two cards would remove these limits to a certain extent from darkness and light decks.

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Re: Offering // Sacrifice // Lamb https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=3713.msg34704#msg34704
« Reply #6 on: March 07, 2010, 06:00:28 pm »
What he said, just Death and Life, not Darkness and Light.

 

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