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Gate of hell | Portal of hell https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50148.msg1083765#msg1083765
« on: June 30, 2013, 01:31:18 am »
NAME:
Gate of hell
ELEMENT:
Death
COST:
5 :death
TYPE:
Permanent
ATK|HP:

TEXT:
:fire :fire :fire : Brings back your last fallen creature to the field and closes for 3 turns.
NAME:
Portal of hell
ELEMENT:
Death
COST:
6 :death
TYPE:
Permanent
ATK|HP:

TEXT:
:fire :fire :fire :fire :  Brings back the last fallen creature to the field and closes for 2 turns.

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IDEA:
Theraxin
NOTES:
Gate of hell can't bring back the creature, which died before this card was on the field.

This card 'stores' the code of the last creature and when the ability is triggered, every gate of hell loses the stored card. Can't stack, but can be multiple gate can be used in multiple times (this need multiple die).

When multiple creatures dies against mass CC, the gate count the one in the last field.

Works on discard, sacrifice and die. Needs real die, so can't work with Scrödinger/Rewind.
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Re: Gate of hell | Portal of hell https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50148.msg1083768#msg1083768
« Reply #1 on: June 30, 2013, 01:43:50 am »
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Re: Gate of hell | Portal of hell https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50148.msg1083775#msg1083775
« Reply #2 on: June 30, 2013, 02:08:26 am »
Does it return the creature as if played again or as it was just before it died?

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Re: Gate of hell | Portal of hell https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50148.msg1083872#msg1083872
« Reply #3 on: June 30, 2013, 02:31:28 pm »
Oh, and it says 'need real die'. I'm sorry, but kitty does real die, just for its ability.

And rewind doesn't even activate death effects, so why is that even there?

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Re: Gate of hell | Portal of hell https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50148.msg1083890#msg1083890
« Reply #4 on: June 30, 2013, 03:17:52 pm »
If a creature died buffed, how does it come back? Clean or buffed?
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Re: Gate of hell | Portal of hell https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50148.msg1083900#msg1083900
« Reply #5 on: June 30, 2013, 04:09:05 pm »
Oh, and it says 'need real die'. I'm sorry, but kitty does real die, just for its ability.

And rewind doesn't even activate death effects, so why is that even there?
Rewind is there for clarification; discard isn't usually considered killing either, you know. Schrodinger's Cat can be an exception, as all the coding for which creature to return would be in this card.

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Re: Gate of hell | Portal of hell https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50148.msg1083904#msg1083904
« Reply #6 on: June 30, 2013, 04:19:56 pm »
It's comes back as it was played again, so gets a second chance to live. And the other way is too hard in programming (evade 0 life creatures, Adrenaline and poison counters, mutants...)

The scrödinger effect is that: The cat is alive and death at the same time, but you can't say that is death or alive for sure. It's can't be measured, because measuring ruins everything. So the kitty can't be dead, because it's still living, but can't be alive, because it's died. So you can't "bring back" the cat from the gate, because it's not there.

I've written the Rewind only there to be clear.

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Re: Gate of hell | Portal of hell https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50148.msg1083905#msg1083905
« Reply #7 on: June 30, 2013, 04:30:31 pm »
Oh, and it says 'need real die'. I'm sorry, but kitty does real die, just for its ability.

And rewind doesn't even activate death effects, so why is that even there?
Rewind is there for clarification; discard isn't usually considered killing either, you know. Schrodinger's Cat can be an exception, as all the coding for which creature to return would be in this card.

In my opinion (what's only an opinion) discarding is the same like dying before they got the chance to live.

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Re: Gate of hell | Portal of hell https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50148.msg1083957#msg1083957
« Reply #8 on: June 30, 2013, 08:39:19 pm »
Oh, and it says 'need real die'. I'm sorry, but kitty does real die, just for its ability.

And rewind doesn't even activate death effects, so why is that even there?
Rewind is there for clarification; discard isn't usually considered killing either, you know. Schrodinger's Cat can be an exception, as all the coding for which creature to return would be in this card.

In my opinion (what's only an opinion) discarding is the same like dying before they got the chance to live.

Oh god everytime we discard it's a monster abortion D:
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Re: Gate of hell | Portal of hell https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50148.msg1083964#msg1083964
« Reply #9 on: June 30, 2013, 09:17:28 pm »
Funny, I was being told the other day how people say abortion is bad because it's killing children. And then they were like...

"If you have a baby in one hand and some baby cells in the other when someone asks you to throw one into acid, you're not going to say 'Oh, they're the same to me'"

So the discarded creature is worth less than the played one, it seems.

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Re: Gate of hell | Portal of hell https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50148.msg1084014#msg1084014
« Reply #10 on: July 01, 2013, 01:50:23 am »
Gladly it's not THAT abortion :D (And if I can choose which should go into the acid, I'll choose the guy, who found out this idiocy ). Elementals (in my opinion) only work as sandcastles. You gather resources and build something. You have a lot of ideas of what do you want. If you don't like one of the ideas, you just discard it. The only matter that you have only limited ideas ( 7 ) . You build some of your ideas, but the sandcastles doesn't last forever. And I think the forgotten idea is the same as a ruined sandcastle.

But of course discarding is optional depending on where the discarded card goes. (philosophical question that the discarded 'Nowhere' zone and the died 'Nowhere' zone is the same or a different 'Nowhere' zone)

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Re: Gate of hell | Portal of hell https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50148.msg1084015#msg1084015
« Reply #11 on: July 01, 2013, 02:01:45 am »
Not quite true: A sandcastle doesn't have a forum that has people in it talking about forum sandcastles.

 

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