Giant | Gargantuan

[darkrobe]

NAME: Giant ELEMENT: Gravity COST: 8 TYPE: Creature ATK|HP: 5 | 15 TEXT: Massive: Creatures and permanents next to or behind Giant are invisible to your opponent.	NAME: Gargantuan ELEMENT: Gravity COST: 7 TYPE: Creature ATK|HP: 5 | 20 TEXT: Massive: Creatures and permanents next to or behind Gargantuan are invisible to your opponent.

ART: IDEA: Darkrobe NOTES: Feedback is appreciated SERIES:

[Drake_XIV]

Basically, anything in the rows behind it?  How does it block creatures next to it?

Maybe give it a health bump too?  10 seems to little for something that obscures the view of everything behind it.

[darkrobe]

my problem is that if i make it something like 7 | 15. its basically a colossal dragon with an extra buff. if i make it something like 1 | 25, its basically an armagio.  Gravity is filled with high health creatures. The thing is that health may not necessarily come from size. it might come from plating or armor, etc.

Edit: anything thats in the two spots next to it. or in the spots directly behind those 3 spots.

[Drake_XIV]

At the same costs, would 4/13 be decent stat set for both unupgraded and upgraded?  I do realize that the berth equates to some power, but unless you raise the cost above that of the dragon, it doesn't seem possible to find an acceptable range that doesn't intrude on any card's stat niche.

Sidenote: I knew I recognized the name: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,6329.0.html (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,6329.0.html).  Different mechanics, but I thought I'd point it out.

[darkrobe]

Thanks for the link. I knew i had seen the name used before. Like i said in the notes. Im not quite happy with the thematics. If possible id actually be happier custom fitting it to another element.

[OdinVanguard]

I agree with Drake. This card should be bigger (hp wise) both thematically and functionally so people have to work to take it down. At least for the upped version anyway. I like giving gravity a means to hide creatures from sight.

An interesting twist would be to have it grant invisibility at the beginning of each turn. That way, the enemy can use invisibility dispelling spells to see things, but only for 1 round. E.g. this casts a massive shadow, so nearby enemies can only be seen in the wake of the splash of light / magic created by mass effect spells like pandemonium or firestorm.

Either way though, this looks like a really cool card and would make a very valuable addition for gravity.

[darkrobe]

took the suggestion on the health. we can play with the stats a bit more. I do think it is closer to where it needs to be.

Edit: Its not a bad idea to have the invisibilty removed temporarily with a firestorm. if this card is ever implemented. that is something that zanz can sort out in his coding.

[Drake_XIV]

Does the upgraded deserve the -1 to cost considering the health gain and the uses has for that, such as Catapult or Overdrive?

[darkrobe]

im not sure. because armagio gains 1|5 for same cost upgraded. while the dragon gains 1|15 for 1 extra cost. this gains 0|5, so It should either be the same cost or cost less. anyone else think it should remain the same in cost?

[Hyroen]

Personally, I would reduce the cost a tad. Maybe by 1 quanta at most. While I would take out the lateral protection and balance accordingly, I really like the idea.

Good work!