Freezing Pillar / Freezing Tower - Tower Series

[Amheug-ui Maseuteo]

NAME: Freezing Pillar ELEMENT: Water COST: 0 TYPE: Permanent ATK|HP: TEXT: Alternately generates   and freezes all your permanents for 1 turn.	NAME: Freezing Tower ELEMENT: Water COST: 0 TYPE: Permanent ATK|HP: TEXT: Alternately generates and freezes all permanents on the field for 1 turn

ART: IDEA: Amheug-ui Maseuteo NOTES: Can Stack. Ability cannot stack. The pillar encourages water mono decks but at the cost of having all your weapons, pillars, shards and shields useless 1 out of every 2 turns. The tower I think is balanced anyway. SERIES: Elemental Pillar Series

Any card art would be greatly appreciated, as will thoughts and suggestions.

As always, if this is a copy I do apologise, link me to the original thread and I'll let this die.

 

[Daguerreo]

Seems almost useless

[Amheug-ui Maseuteo]

For a mono water deck the pillar almost double the quanta, making mono water decks more of an option. The upgraded card would work better as a stalling unit.

 

[OldTrees]

Seems almost useless

^
Agreed.
Shields are valuable.

[Calindu]

Seems almost useless

^
Agreed.
Shields are valuable.

Seems more like a rush pillar.

[OldTrees]

Seems almost useless

^
Agreed.
Shields are valuable.

Seems more like a rush pillar.

oops. I was distracted.
As a rush pillar it is comparable with the Fire pillar suggested but without a significant cost.
Reduce it to  and it might be balanced.

[Bobbunny]

Considering it just freezes itself every turn, it seems pretty useless. Ok, maybe if you are running fatties in your deck with absurd costs, but otherwise no. I like my lobo.

[dragonsdemesne]

I think the upped one is too strong; being able to freeze your opponent's permanents repeatedly is really powerful.

Also, because of the timing factor in the delay, you'd get something like this:

play turn 1 = get quanta
turn 2 = freeze stuff
turn 3 = unfreeze (no quanta because it's frozen)
turn 4 = freeze stuff
turn 5 = unfreeze (no quanta because it's frozen)
etc etc

and so you wouldn't actually get any quanta from this card except the turn it comes into play, with this wording.  I think it needs a bit of a rework, anyway; maybe alternately it removes poison from a random creature/player on your side.  (but doesn't grant +hp regen like purify)

[Amheug-ui Maseuteo]

I see what you mean. I'll think on either rewording it or completely redoing it. Removing poison could be good as it would be an anti smog pillar.

[Pineapple]

I think the upped one is too strong; being able to freeze your opponent's permanents repeatedly is really powerful.

Also, because of the timing factor in the delay, you'd get something like this:

play turn 1 = get quanta
turn 2 = freeze stuff
turn 3 = unfreeze (no quanta because it's frozen)
turn 4 = freeze stuff
turn 5 = unfreeze (no quanta because it's frozen)
etc etc

and so you wouldn't actually get any quanta from this card except the turn it comes into play, with this wording.  I think it needs a bit of a rework, anyway; maybe alternately it removes poison from a random creature/player on your side.  (but doesn't grant +hp regen like purify)

Actually, your wrong.
While Devourer does not steal quanta when frozen, it steals quanta the turn it unfreezes.

[Amheug-ui Maseuteo]

Good point patch.

Added in a poll.

[dragonsdemesne]

Actually, your wrong.
While Devourer does not steal quanta when frozen, it steals quanta the turn it unfreezes.

That I didn't realize; I don't think I've ever seen devourers frozen.  The card is still overpowered, though.  And 'your' is 'you're', since we're in the correcting mood!    I voted for the removal of poison, since it was my suggestion after all