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Re: Fireball | Hellball https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17484.msg223738#msg223738
« Reply #12 on: December 13, 2010, 03:49:33 pm »
Fire Storm costs 5 :fire, and deals 3 damage to EVERY enemy creature. You are losing 3 damages on all creatures except those adjacent, 1 damage on those adjacent and the risk of hurting your creatures in exchange for... 2 more damages on the main target? Isn't it a bit... UP?

I would make this cost 4 :fire|3 :fire, if not even 3|2. The uncommon area targeting, along with the placing rules, means that if you play this instead of Fire Storm:
- when opponent has 1 creature, you gain 2 damages (but Lightning does the same for much less...)
- when opponent has 2/3 creatures, you lose 1 to 4 damages
- when opponent has 4/7 creatures, you lose 5 to 12 damages (and possibly more, depending on whom you do target)
- when opponent has 8/12 creatures, you lose 13 to 25 damages
- when opponent has 13/17 creatures, you lose 26 to 38 damages
- when opponent has 18/23 creatures, you lose up to 56 damages

This cannot compare. Not counting that, except for the creature in the middle, you are dealing even LESS damage per target.
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Re: Fireball | Hellball https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17484.msg223749#msg223749
« Reply #13 on: December 13, 2010, 04:08:45 pm »
I think 3|3 :fire maximum is balanced for the new version.
With this new version it hits the main creature, the two creatures above and the two below.
1-7 creatures [5damage]
8-11 creatures [5+1|2 damage]
12-15 creatures [5+1|2+1|2 damage]
16-19 creatures [5+1|2+1|2+1|2 damage]
20-23 creatures [5+1|2+1|2+1|2+1|2 damage]

If we assume that on average this will hit 3 creatures then it then it deals 7|9 damage total which is equal to 1.4|1.8 Lightning Bolts

Unupped
(1.4)Lightning Bolt
(1.4)x2 :aether + 1.4 cards
~3.2 :fire + 1 card or 3 :fire rounding down.

Upgraded
[.8] Lightning Bolt + Thunderbolt
1.6 :aether +1 :aether +1.8 cards +1 upgrade
~3.4 :fire +1card +1upgrade or about 3 :fire rounding down.

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Re: Fireball | Hellball https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17484.msg223763#msg223763
« Reply #14 on: December 13, 2010, 04:21:38 pm »
I agree with your calculations. :)
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Re: Fireball | Hellball https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17484.msg223881#msg223881
« Reply #15 on: December 13, 2010, 07:37:01 pm »
Nice... never thought about it. Good job OldTrees.

EDIT:
Actually, it's technically a hex based field, so it would be these creatures:

  [1][1]
[1][4][1]
  [1][1]
So, It must be 6 cratures.

 

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