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« on: March 02, 2013, 06:28:03 pm »
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Re: Monochrome Lens | Monochrome Lens https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=47366.msg1047448#msg1047448
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Re: Monochrome Lens | Monochrome Lens https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=47366.msg1047484#msg1047484
« Reply #2 on: March 02, 2013, 08:26:39 pm »
Wouldn't this make nova and quantum pillars OP? Not to mention this makes shards stronger than they were in 1.31, as the costs were reduced.
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Re: Monochrome Lens | Monochrome Lens https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=47366.msg1047520#msg1047520
« Reply #3 on: March 02, 2013, 09:37:36 pm »
Wouldn't this make nova and quantum pillars OP? Not to mention this makes shards stronger than they were in 1.31, as the costs were reduced.

It would make them stronger sure, but, I doubt OP.  First you need to get this into play, then keep it there.  Not easy.  And multiples are useless.  I think it's quite far from OP.  My guess is that it's pretty well balanced, maybe even a bit on the UP side.

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Re: Monochrome Lens | Monochrome Lens https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=47366.msg1047537#msg1047537
« Reply #4 on: March 02, 2013, 10:25:36 pm »
Wouldn't this make nova and quantum pillars OP? Not to mention this makes shards stronger than they were in 1.31, as the costs were reduced.

What do you mean?  It just means you need those to play Lens to add other cards to Mono.

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« Reply #5 on: March 02, 2013, 11:08:03 pm »
Wouldn't this make nova and quantum pillars OP? Not to mention this makes shards stronger than they were in 1.31, as the costs were reduced.

What do you mean?  It just means you need those to play Lens to add other cards to Mono.

Quantum pillars mean that you can use only about a third (maybe half, to prevent bad draws) of the space pillars would take in a normal deck (which is a huge advantage). It also removes their downside, which is not knowing what will be generated. Nova and Supernova will give you 12 and 22 quanta respectively that can be used to play expensive cards (using the upped version of lens) from any element (a huge buff to rainbows).

About protecting them, it would be really worthy to just add some PA's.
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Re: Monochrome Lens | Monochrome Lens https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=47366.msg1047564#msg1047564
« Reply #6 on: March 03, 2013, 12:10:11 am »
I think you don't quite understand.   This would make, let's say, a Shrieker, 8 :earth, cost 8 :underworld, not 8 :rainbow, meaning Nova would only help play Lens, not the cards.  Unless they cost 1 :underworld or something.

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Re: Monochrome Lens | Monochrome Lens https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=47366.msg1047586#msg1047586
« Reply #7 on: March 03, 2013, 01:36:00 am »
Got it. I was really thinking all the costs would be :rainbow instead of :underworld . Seems like it would work well with Cremation, but it doesn't seem too strong.

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Re: Monochrome Lens | Monochrome Lens https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=47366.msg1047618#msg1047618
« Reply #8 on: March 03, 2013, 04:47:44 am »
The fact that the element chosen is still random and that it would still drain their respective elements.

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Re: Monochrome Lens | Monochrome Lens https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=47366.msg1047683#msg1047683
« Reply #9 on: March 03, 2013, 01:35:39 pm »
The element drained is still the one stated in the card or the element used to play the card?

In both cases, wouldn't having for example 8 :entropy , 8  :darkness and 8  :earth mean that I can Blitz three times in the same turn?
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Re: Monochrome Lens | Monochrome Lens https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=47366.msg1047687#msg1047687
« Reply #10 on: March 03, 2013, 01:47:20 pm »
That does a sound a bit OP. WIth some SNs a quantum pillars it's not hard to get that much. This + 4 Skyblitz + a creature with at least 7 atk OTK. An OTK combo with 5 played cards + this on the field. Add one more Skyblitz for 200 HP OTK.

I suggest changing the upped one to creatures also, while lowering the cost. Another way to solve it could be to make the "drain all quanta" effects of Skyblitz and similar cards actually drain ALL your quanta. Could be an interesting drawback for the card.
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