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Fairy Dragon | Fairy Dragon https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=49374.msg1072463#msg1072463
« on: May 20, 2013, 10:15:09 pm »
NAME:
Fairy Dragon
ELEMENT:
Love
COST:
9 :love
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
2 | 1
TEXT:
1L:  Destroy target Death creature.

Evade 90%.  Silence 50%
NAME:
Fairy Dragon
ELEMENT:
Love
COST:
8 :love
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
2 | 1
TEXT:
1L:  Destroy target Death creature.

Evade 90%.  Silence 50%

ART:

IDEA:
Jazzfan27
NOTES:
Part of Love Element series.

If Fairy dragon deals combat damage to an opponent that opponent has a 50% chance of being silenced his next turn.
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Re: Fairy Dragon | Fairy Dragon https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=49374.msg1072467#msg1072467
« Reply #1 on: May 20, 2013, 10:16:43 pm »
Why the :death elemental hate?

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Re: Fairy Dragon | Fairy Dragon https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=49374.msg1072468#msg1072468
« Reply #2 on: May 20, 2013, 10:17:52 pm »
It shouldn't be so specific towards death. Though I suppose that it's kind of evened out by the fact that death takes advantage of everyone dying.

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Re: Fairy Dragon | Fairy Dragon https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=49374.msg1072470#msg1072470
« Reply #3 on: May 20, 2013, 10:19:12 pm »
Fairy Dragons prefer to play with their opponents.  Hence the Evasion and Silencing.  However, they have great enmity for the Undead, so, that's why the elemental hate.

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Re: Fairy Dragon | Fairy Dragon https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=49374.msg1072473#msg1072473
« Reply #4 on: May 20, 2013, 10:21:19 pm »
... so why not let me make a card like this one:



Sometimes, the balance of a card is more important than the thematics.

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Re: Fairy Dragon | Fairy Dragon https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=49374.msg1072483#msg1072483
« Reply #5 on: May 20, 2013, 10:30:16 pm »


How about "If opponents mark is Death Fairy dragon gains +5/+5."  instead?

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Re: Fairy Dragon | Fairy Dragon https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=49374.msg1072487#msg1072487
« Reply #6 on: May 20, 2013, 10:32:07 pm »
Still too much elemental hate. Don't make it gamebreaking if  the opponent is death. I want nothing to do with mechanics like that.

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Re: Fairy Dragon | Fairy Dragon https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=49374.msg1072701#msg1072701
« Reply #7 on: May 21, 2013, 05:07:02 am »
Fairies? Silly you. Fairy types don't exist.

Elemental hate is very bad for a game. Even when it's something like "if opponent plays a dark creature, this card gains 1atk." Having elemental bonuses and rewards is much more beneficial to the game as a whole than elemental punishments.

Assuming :L = :underworld, this is OP.

Silence is 1 card + 3 :underworld ~= 5 :underworld. If this happens every time it attacks, you essentially gain 2.5 :underworld EVERY TURN PER DRAGON, not to mention Silence is worth much more than that depending on the circumstances.

An evasion of 90% might as well make it immortal (and better than immortal as it can be buffed) and should be treated as a 1.5 multiplier based on attack.

Thematically, how does a "fairy dragon" murder death creatures, evade, and silence the opponent?

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Re: Fairy Dragon | Fairy Dragon https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=49374.msg1072704#msg1072704
« Reply #8 on: May 21, 2013, 05:13:26 am »
This is so broken I don't even know where to start. ^^

Just the silence part is insane. If I have two or three dragons on the field, I win. Good luck trying to play your cards.

90% evade is so strong. It is vicious as well, because opponent thinks he can target it. While infact he shouldn't. But *you* can still target it with Blessing and Momentum for the Twin Universe. Imba? Yes.

Finally, the darkness hate ability is just not good for ETG as stated before. It's more a game of synergies rather than hate-building.

My advice: remake it totally. ^^
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Re: Fairy Dragon | Fairy Dragon https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=49374.msg1072716#msg1072716
« Reply #9 on: May 21, 2013, 06:00:44 am »
Thanks for all the critiques.  I'll try to address some.

First thematically.  http://www.dotd.com/mm/MM00079.htm  This was what I had in mind.  A small dragon like creature about the size of a cat.  It could turn invisible (the evasion) and it's breath weapon would cause you to wander aimlessly if you failed to save (the silence).  Faerie Dragons prefer not to engage enemies for the most part, instead just being mischievous instead.  Except when it comes to the undead, where they'll jump to attack. (the hate part)

Second - on the hate part.  I'll scrap that.  you folks REALLY don't like the idea, and really I only included it for a bit of flavor.  And if you prefer your Dragons with less flavor so be it.

Third - On the evasion.  These guys are small, fast, highly magic, and invisible.  Makes sense to me to have evasion.  Could it be lowered?  Sure. 

Fourth - On the Silence.  "If you get 2 or 3 of these in play you win".  Well, if you get 3 8 casting cost creatures in play you usually are going to win.  But, it's not as OP in my mind as that.  You aren't going to cast one of these big fellas for a few turns at best.  By then your opp will have most of his hand played most likely and will have many threats on the table as is.  This will at best delay threats a bit.  With your quanta just accumulating and likely having ample hand space, you'll likely maintain the same amount of cards per turn on a net basis, they'll just be clumped instead of steady.  On another note dealing with this, there are diminishing returns for having more Dragons.  The first gives 50% chance.  The 2nd 75%.  The 3rd, 87.5%.  The 4th...  You get the idea.  And my last point, they actually have to do combat damage to trigger the effect.  A simple Titanium Shield will stop these little fellas cold.  In fact, most shields do a pretty decent job against them.

5th - on the you can cast Momentum, Blessing, and Twin Universe on them.  If you've got a deck that has enough quanta to reliably cast those 4 spells from 4 different elements, I guess you could.  I don't see it as a huge threat.  Even if you do manage the trick, it's not going to be much more deadly than casting 2 Immortals and 2 SoW.  And that's just using 1 element.  Might be less deadly.  I haven't thought it all the way through.  (looked it up.  2 upgraded immortals and 2 upgraded SoW cost 18 quanta and 4 cards and do 18 damage a turn.  1 Fairy Dragon, 1 momentum, 1 blessing, and 1 twin universe would cost 17 quanta and 4 cards and do 12 damage a turn)



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Re: Fairy Dragon | Fairy Dragon https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=49374.msg1072720#msg1072720
« Reply #10 on: May 21, 2013, 06:06:41 am »
Why not making it cloaked then?
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Re: Fairy Dragon | Fairy Dragon https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=49374.msg1072724#msg1072724
« Reply #11 on: May 21, 2013, 06:21:36 am »
Why not making it cloaked then?

I find a high evasion more mischievous than a cloak.  As if the Dragon is taunting you into wasting your energy.

 

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