Existing Card Reworking - Golden Hourglass / Electrum Hourglass

[Kamietsu]

Then why not just create a gravity card that lets you draw a card? Hourglass = time. Hasten = go faster. If anything, gravity has a slowing effect on speed, unless you are hurtling towards the source of the gravity.

[Kael Hate]

Then why not just create a gravity card that lets you draw a card? Hourglass = time. Hasten = go faster. If anything, gravity has a slowing effect on speed, unless you are hurtling towards the source of the gravity.

So quite the effect of Gravity on sand through an Hourglass then hmm.

[Terroking]

Gravity exists, it's there. You don't have to pay extra energy to gte gravity to work. It wouldn't be fun if all cards drained 1 gravity quanta per turn now would it? Besides, changing it to gravity won't work, that'll just limit it more, as then the only decks with card draw will have to include gravity AND time, which is a bad idea (Precog and dial don't count as card draw, they are cantrip, and just replace their spot in a deck, and Golden Nymph isn't being counted atm because of it's rarity) empowering rainbow and completely ruining mono-time, card draw was it's best aspect.

And if all the rainbow's didn't have time mark, they would likely go to entropy, to fuel the novas. No matter how you change it, there will always be a most-effective mark for rainbows and most people will use it.

[bobcamel]

Well, you could run a hourglass without Gravity, for example by moving it in a circular fashion, but you couldn't run a hourglass without Time, as it wouldn't move at all. And here the magic runs the sand down itself, no need for Gravities.

[Kael Hate]

Well, you could run a hourglass without Gravity, for example by moving it in a circular fashion, but you couldn't run a hourglass without Time, as it wouldn't move at all. And here the magic runs the sand down itself, no need for Gravities.

ROFL.

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Had an incident this morning cooking my egg. The sand in the hourglass had become stuck. Lucky tho that time had stopped otherwise I would have overboiled my egg. I was able to return to relativity by tapping on the glass to get the sand going. Hope nobody noticed.
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You do realise that Centrifugal force is an aspect of Gravity? and that time is simply a perspective between any two moments. Things can exist without time they just become unrelative.

I wish you'd just said you don't like the idea because it will ruin your deck. I have enjoyed the laughs tho.

[bobcamel]

Hm? It works one-way, silly human. You can stop time to stop your hourglass, but you can't stop your hourglass to stop time. And I'm sure you haven't stopped gravity due to this either.

Also, it wouldn't ruin my deck, as I have this old rainbow thing. Otyughs would take a bit longer to go out, but aside from that, no harm done. It would ruin any combination with time except for Time/Gravity, so it ruins like... eleven decks? Eleven deck archetypes.

Being Mono-time makes the Hourglass more viable for putting in decks.

Also, in Elements, Gravity is about mass and size, not forces. Big Hourglass, not Moving. Massive Dragons, not Falling Dragons.

[Kael Hate]

Also, in Elements, Gravity is about mass and size, not forces. Big Hourglass, not Moving. Massive Dragons, not Falling Dragons.

Explain Gravity Shield and Gravity pull to me then?

The shield is so big it only stops large creatures? LOL
Sorry I'm laughing to Hard I can't link Gravity Pull to anything with extensive Mass or Size.

[Kael Hate]

Ok, stopped laughing somewhat.

Elemental Gravity and more directly real life Gravity is the associational attraction between objects due to mass. This attraction can cause objects to become dense. This attraction is the force that generates any measurement of kinetic energy.

Beyond it all and regardless of the point. I'd like gravity to be the activator for Hourglass so new cards can fill in the gap and it fulfils my desire to have elemental relation pure in my vision. You say that its not appropriate because it will cause issues with play balance and damage the scheme of things.

I've submitted Abomination / Micro-Abomination as my rework card so there is no need to carry this any further until I or others wish to add more cards that will cause conflict with the hourglass. 
 

[Bloodshadow]

I'll remember to tell the boys on the International space station that their Hourglass doesn't work in space because there is no time up there.

Huh? What? Time is everywhere. How can there be no time in outer space? That makes absolutely no sense at all.

If you really want a card-draw that uses Gravity, then make another card instead of changing Hourglass.

In my personal opinion, I think all mono, dual, trio, and rainbow decks should all be equal in power but different in play style. That's why I think mono decks should be promoted more than dual decks.

[Kael Hate]

I'll remember to tell the boys on the International space station that their Hourglass doesn't work in space because there is no time up there.

Huh? What? Time is everywhere. How can there be no time in outer space? That makes absolutely no sense at all.

The text you have quoted was in response to bobcamel who said gravity does not move sand though an hourglass, but time does. In space the Hourglass doesnot work as gravity is not in effect. So the Joke was that obviously its not a lack of gravity preventing the hourglass from working but a lack of time. Get it?

As for changing the card. Obviously at this time its not a great offer. People don't want to lose Mono time. So be it I'll concede until I have a suggestion/solution that does not damage mono-time.

[Lanidrak]

Edit: 'people have posted while you were writing your topic, you may wish to review these posts before commenting'

jesus christ all mighty.

Will you two physicists stop arguing?

This is a 'game'... I'm sure Zanz didn't really do a doctorate in astrophysics and string theory before creating this game... even the fact that he uses the terminology of 'Quanta' and 'Quantum' - i'm still doubtful...

Your whole argument is ludicrous.

Back to the topic this board is for.

The card idea, not good. Why? The game is turn-based. Therefore it seems logical for the 'game element of Time' to contain cards which slow or speed up the game, by altering the key aspect of the game: drawing a card each turn. The game subsequently ends if you do not have any more cards to draw. Eternity (rare Time weapon) can block your opponents source of getting new cards as long as he has a creature on the table. Sundial can allow you to avoid ALL incoming damage from your opponent and pick up an extra card in the process (provided you have Light quanta). Hourglasses are permanents and as long as they are in play, you have the option of drawing an additional card, per hourglass, per turn (provided you have enough Time quanta). Furthermore Eternity is the 'only' card in the game which can effectively stop yourself from decking out - Rewind Times too, but they are much better spent against your opponent.

By changing one of the primary cards that the Time element has, you completely 'ruin' that element. You strip down a card which is so focussed in its ability and reflective cost, you render it useless. Forcing players to then run Time as well as Gravity - if they want a card advantage. No. No. No.

Why not suggest a card for Gravity which gives Gravity a card advantage or a means of disabling your opponents card advantage?

(and try to keep that suggestion on topic)

[Bloodshadow]

The text you have quoted was in response to bobcamel who said gravity does not move sand though an hourglass, but time does. In space the Hourglass doesnot work as gravity is not in effect. So the Joke was that obviously its not a lack of gravity preventing the hourglass from working but a lack of time. Get it?

In space, the Golden Hourglasses works because there is Time.

This is Elements, not the real world; and the Golden Hourglass isn't normal hourglass. I'd love to argue about physics due to my genuine interest in the nature of the universe, but I don't think this is the right place.