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Evimare | Evimare https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54368.msg1134147#msg1134147
« on: April 24, 2014, 06:49:03 am »
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ELEMENT:
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TYPE:
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ATK|HP:
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TEXT:
Each turn, Evimare may return to your hand, or generate 2 copies in opponent's hand.
3 damage if discarded.
NAME:
Evimare
ELEMENT:
Dreamweaver
COST:
4
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
4 | 3
TEXT:
Each turn, Evimare may return to your hand, or generate 2 copies in opponent's hand.
4 damage if discarded.

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Re: Evimare | Evimare https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54368.msg1134195#msg1134195
« Reply #1 on: April 24, 2014, 07:50:47 pm »
Too excessively complex. Take out the return to your hand clause, and you have a relatively bad version of Escalation by OdinVanguard.

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Re: Evimare | Evimare https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54368.msg1134206#msg1134206
« Reply #2 on: April 24, 2014, 09:14:53 pm »
Too excessively complex. Take out the return to your hand clause, and you have a relatively bad version of Escalation by OdinVanguard.
Yes and no... Escalation has some significant diffrences.
-It is a spell (tricky to counter directly aside from sanctuary)
-It has a :rainbow cost
-It only spawns copies when played, so players must choose to continue the escalation.

I think that this card is actually a bit more powerful than Escalation (probably OP right now).
-It has a hybrid cost, so the chance that opponent can rid themselves of it without damage is lower
-Once played it can continually spawn into the opponent's hand.
-It is a creature, making it somewhat vulnerable to CC counters.
-It could be abused with fractal or mito + readiness, making a quick, continual draw lock.

I think the double spawn to opponent's hand is unnecessary in this case. It was necessary for escalation because a spell is consumed when played, so that was the only way to get more copies and provide a ramp up. Since this card actually creates new copies of itself, the double copy is not needed. Considering that there are already other ways to copy a creature, I think adding 2 copies to the enemy hand will be too powerful as a hand blocker.
For instance, consider the problem with fractal. This + fractal is practically GG. The opponent will never unclog their hand. Especially since they only have about a 1 in 6 chance of having the needed quanta to cast it.

I like the concept here, but its a little too easy to abuse with creature replication. Fractal in particular. It just makes hard locking the opponent's draw capabilities a little too easy.

P.S. I put up a grav-time card back idea in the hybrid thread, if you can think of something to use it for... Let me know if you have another hybrid idea that needs a card back made.
« Last Edit: April 24, 2014, 09:18:09 pm by OdinVanguard »
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Re: Evimare | Evimare https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54368.msg1134209#msg1134209
« Reply #3 on: April 24, 2014, 09:25:48 pm »
By bad, I meant badly balanced, not weak.

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Re: Evimare | Evimare https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54368.msg1134224#msg1134224
« Reply #4 on: April 24, 2014, 10:47:07 pm »
By bad, I meant badly balanced, not weak.
Partly my fault, I just assume people mean weak when they say a card is a bad version of another... Mainly because I generally make my cards too weak to begin with :P

I think after some balancing work, this card could be quite good. It definitely needs a little work, but it has potential.
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Re: Evimare | Evimare https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54368.msg1134235#msg1134235
« Reply #5 on: April 25, 2014, 02:39:06 am »
Perhaps the chance to spawn two copies in the opponents hand could not stack with the number of this card in play? i.e. if it's a 25% chance to do so with one copy in play, it's still only a 25% chance with 23 copies in play.

This would alleviate at least some of the balancing concerns (percentage not specified in notes so I made one up)
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Re: Evimare | Evimare https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54368.msg1134348#msg1134348
« Reply #6 on: April 26, 2014, 07:19:41 am »
NAME:
Evimare
ELEMENT:
Dreamweaver
COST:
4
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
3 | 2
TEXT:
Each turn, Evimare may return to your hand, or generate a copy in opponent's hand.
3 damage if discarded.
NAME:
Evimare
ELEMENT:
Dreamweaver
COST:
5
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
4 | 3
TEXT:
Each turn, Evimare may return to your hand, or generate a copy in opponent's hand.
4 damage if discarded.

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Re: Evimare | Evimare https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54368.msg1134398#msg1134398
« Reply #7 on: April 26, 2014, 09:55:52 pm »
What are the chances to return to hand and to spawn a copy to the opponent's hand. That will be the next piece to balance.
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Re: Evimare | Evimare https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54368.msg1134422#msg1134422
« Reply #8 on: April 27, 2014, 12:56:57 am »
As it's worded right now, it's presumably 50/50

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Re: Evimare | Evimare https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54368.msg1134428#msg1134428
« Reply #9 on: April 27, 2014, 01:24:30 am »
Dreamweaver? This card is on the level of blue crawler. Ghost of Time Past easily would be used over this ALL THE TIME. Also Darkness or Time? Were you meaning to overthrow ghostmare? And the added return to your hand chance makes this kinda useless. Not being harsh. Just honest.

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Re: Evimare | Evimare https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54368.msg1134432#msg1134432
« Reply #10 on: April 27, 2014, 03:21:42 am »
Do people still not understand how Hybrid cost would work?

the cost is paid in a similar manner to :chroma cards.
the only difference is Hybrids take quanta from only the 2 sources that make them up.

this could assist a Ghostmare deck. fractal would need to be used carefully with this card.

with the lower cost than GotP. this has and requires strategy. the returning can remove ill statuses like poison.
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Re: Evimare | Evimare https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54368.msg1134433#msg1134433
« Reply #11 on: April 27, 2014, 04:09:44 am »
Hmmm. This card still highly irks my nerves.  :-\
I don't know what to say besides this stands next to Ghost Of Time Past.
I can't imagine ever using this. And If I can't imagine it, I don't like it.
Try making this immune to poison.

 

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