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Re: Whirlpool | Maelstrom https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=24253.msg310161#msg310161
« Reply #12 on: April 11, 2011, 11:06:59 pm »
This is interesting.

I like the permanent version. I can just imagine a Dark/Water stall that uses some of these for damage and minor CC while taking some of the best stalling cards from both. Permafrost Shield, Ice Lances, Siphon Lives, Vampire Dagger... I'd be able to use two of my favorite elements together for once.

The creature would be fun to see what you could do with it, but I find the spell version to be fairly useless. Ice Bolt is better at both CC and direct damage.
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Re: Whirlpool | Maelstrom https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=24253.msg310170#msg310170
« Reply #13 on: April 11, 2011, 11:16:12 pm »
This is interesting.

I like the permanent version. I can just imagine a Dark/Water stall that uses some of these for damage and minor CC while taking some of the best stalling cards from both. Permafrost Shield, Ice Lances, Siphon Lives, Vampire Dagger... I'd be able to use two of my favorite elements together for once.

The creature would be fun to see what you could do with it, but I find the spell version to be fairly useless. Ice Bolt is better at both CC and direct damage.
Thanks!  Yeah, I forgot Ice Bolt can freeze things.  Does it freeze creatures as well as permanents?


Card suggestions that require 3 types of quanta to use efficiently are not wise.

Compare the synergies a duo card has compared to a trio: The duo card has 11x or greater versatility in deck building and play. Since the goal of card suggestions are to add more variation into the game, a duo card is a preferable vehicle compared to a trio card.
What you said is true, but I don't think it requires 3 types of quanta to be efficient.  In this card's case, it is quite viable in two different duos as well as the trio, which I think makes it extremely versatile.  It can be used as CC in an Air/Water deck or player damage in a deck with Water/Dark.  It also still does a bit of damage to the creature/player without the quanta build-up and can be useful earlier in the game to pick off say, a Ray of Light, even if you have no Air quanta.  This particularly applies to the permanent, which is my personal favorite of the 3.

It could additionally be tweaked so the upgraded card costs more but does more base damage to the creature and player, so that it's more useful in duos.
Compare  :water :darkness to Drain Life(spell) or a Vampire Dagger(non spell) and  :water :air to Shockwave(spell) or Owl's Eye(non spell).
This card will not be viable in two different duos and if it were made to be viable it might make the named cards have problems.

As it stands it requires 3 types of quanta to achieve maximum in duel versatility which is its only advantage.
That's a good point, I guess Drain Life does make this card inefficient in  :water :darkness.  Vampire Dagger takes the weapon slot so this can still be playable alongside it.  I think this could actually buff Shockwave and Owl's Eye, since this card's damage combined with those two can take down some high HP creatures.

Do you have any suggestions that would make this card useful in duos but not ruin any other cards?  Would it be most feasible to do that as a creature, spell, or permanent?

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Re: Whirlpool | Maelstrom https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=24253.msg310172#msg310172
« Reply #14 on: April 11, 2011, 11:18:16 pm »
I still reckon being a creature sounds better than a really weak spell or permanent

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Re: Whirlpool | Maelstrom https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=24253.msg310176#msg310176
« Reply #15 on: April 11, 2011, 11:27:23 pm »
That's a good point, I guess Drain Life does make this card inefficient in  :water :darkness.  Vampire Dagger takes the weapon slot so this can still be playable alongside it.  I think this could actually buff Shockwave and Owl's Eye, since this card's damage combined with those two can take down some high HP creatures.

Do you have any suggestions that would make this card useful in duos but not ruin any other cards?  Would it be most feasible to do that as a creature, spell, or permanent?
Yes Ice Bolt freezes creatures

No, I do not have any suggestions.

My advice would be that:
In spell or non spell form it will still have the same problems so the form should match the resulting theme without much consideration other than its nature as a vehicle (I think I have communicated vehicle/rider terms to you before.).
It should be neither a card forced to be a trio due to superior duo competition nor a card that forces the previous cards to revert to mono only.
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Re: Whirlpool | Maelstrom https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=24253.msg317342#msg317342
« Reply #16 on: April 22, 2011, 12:48:42 am »
It's now a permanent.  It serves as constant damage and/or CC that can evade CC, and I think that its purpose is now different enough from existing cards.

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Re: Whirlpool | Maelstrom https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=24253.msg317404#msg317404
« Reply #17 on: April 22, 2011, 01:47:28 am »
Does no one think this would be better off as a weapon? To me that's the category the ability leans towards
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Re: Whirlpool | Maelstrom https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=24253.msg317817#msg317817
« Reply #18 on: April 22, 2011, 08:13:37 pm »
imo, this is better off as the following in prioritized order:

1: creature with this ability
2: weapon
3: permanent with ability

 

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