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Entropic Resonator | Entropic Annihilator https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=47584.msg1049680#msg1049680
« on: March 09, 2013, 07:50:07 am »
NAME:
Entropic Resonator
ELEMENT:
Entropy
COST:
3 :entropy
TYPE:
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ATK|HP:
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TEXT:
Resonate: Generates :entropy each turn equal to half the sum of its stats, but loses one from a stat for each :entropy produced
NAME:
Entropic Annihilator
ELEMENT:
Entropy
COST:
7 :entropy
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
8|8
TEXT:
Absorbs :entropy each turn equal to 25% of the sum of its stats.
Annihilate: Gets +1|+1 per 2 :entropy that is absorbed each turn.

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Sort of an experiment in cards effects that interact with quanta production and absorption.

The unupgraded version is meant as a quanta producer that produces quanta for you as its stats wither down. The bigger it is, the brighter it shines and the faster it deflates. If I did the math right, it shouldn't be able to kill too often, so it basically radiates all its attack and hp away as :entropy then just sits their useless until you buff it again.

Th upgraded version is essentially its polar opposite. It sucks in quanta from you to fuel its own growth. The more it feeds, the faster it grows until it eventually consumes all of your :entropy quanta and then dies of starvation.

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« Last Edit: March 10, 2013, 01:33:09 am by OdinVanguard »
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Re: Entropic Resonator | Entropic Annihilator https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=47584.msg1049702#msg1049702
« Reply #1 on: March 09, 2013, 10:52:35 am »
If I understand it correctly, "resonate" can be reworded to:

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Until ATK or HP is halved, gain -1/-1 and :entropy.

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Re: Entropic Resonator | Entropic Annihilator https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=47584.msg1049809#msg1049809
« Reply #2 on: March 09, 2013, 06:21:15 pm »
If I understand it correctly, "resonate" can be reworded to:

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Until ATK or HP is halved, gain -1/-1 and :entropy.
Not exactly. This creature will produce much more than 1 :entropy per turn if you pump its stats high enough.

Actually, it produces (3+5)/2 = 4 :entropy the turn its brought out and then promptly loses 4 net attack / HP as a result.

The following turn it produces 2 :entropy and loses an additional 2 net attack / HP

If it survives, then the third turn it would produce 1 :entropy and either die or lose so many stats it would stop producing.

I guess I could reword it to something like "Loses half of its net attack and hp each turn, producing 1 :entropy each"

At any rate, the idea is that the higher its stats are, the faster they drop and the more :entropy it creates.

The annihilator is the inverse.

E.g.
Resonate = Geometric decay of stats, stat loss -> :entropy produced
Annihilate = Geometric growth of stats, stat gain -> :entropy consumed
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Re: Entropic Resonator | Entropic Annihilator https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=47584.msg1049836#msg1049836
« Reply #3 on: March 09, 2013, 08:06:11 pm »
Does this work?
"Each turn, generate X :entropy. X is the sum of its stats, halved. Lose 1 stat point for every :entropy generated."

Or, simplified:
"Each turn, generate :entropy based on total stats. Lose 1 stat point for every :entropy generated."

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Re: Entropic Resonator | Entropic Annihilator https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=47584.msg1049847#msg1049847
« Reply #4 on: March 09, 2013, 08:31:37 pm »
Does this work?
"Each turn, generate X :entropy. X is the sum of its stats, halved. Lose 1 stat point for every :entropy generated."

Or, simplified:
"Each turn, generate :entropy based on total stats. Lose 1 stat point for every :entropy generated."
Those sound about right.
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Re: Entropic Resonator | Entropic Annihilator https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=47584.msg1049863#msg1049863
« Reply #5 on: March 09, 2013, 09:45:39 pm »
Can the attack of the Resonator become negative? How does antimatter affect them (specially the Resonator)?
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Re: Entropic Resonator | Entropic Annihilator https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=47584.msg1049885#msg1049885
« Reply #6 on: March 09, 2013, 11:28:44 pm »
Can the attack of the Resonator become negative? How does antimatter affect them (specially the Resonator)?
The attack will not be allowed to drop below zero due to resonate. However, if it gets hit with AM, it will be allowed to decrease further.

Since the attack would have a negative value, it would end up canceling out some of the value from HP, and thus reduce the amount of quanta produced.

Similarly, you could get the annihilator to actually start producing instead of absorbing if its AM'ed attack is more negative than its HP.
In that case, its attack would start becoming more and more negative and it would start to lose HP.
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Re: Entropic Resonator | Entropic Annihilator https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=47584.msg1049887#msg1049887
« Reply #7 on: March 09, 2013, 11:38:02 pm »
Does this work?
"Each turn, generate X :entropy. X is the sum of its stats, halved. Lose 1 stat point for every :entropy generated."

Or, simplified:
"Each turn, generate :entropy based on total stats. Lose 1 stat point for every :entropy generated."
Those sound about right.
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« Last Edit: March 10, 2013, 01:34:27 am by OdinVanguard »
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Re: Entropic Resonator | Entropic Annihilator https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=47584.msg1050107#msg1050107
« Reply #8 on: March 10, 2013, 11:00:04 pm »
The wording of the Entropic Annihilator is sort of confusing. It says, "Gets +1|+1 per 2 :entropy that is absorbed each turn." Does this only apply to the quanta that is absorbed by that card specifically, or any quanta absorbed, such as from Dissapation shield, Devourer, and Black hole? I assume Sanctuary would prevent Entropic Annihilator from absorbing quanta, but would it also kill it?

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Re: Entropic Resonator | Entropic Annihilator https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=47584.msg1050115#msg1050115
« Reply #9 on: March 11, 2013, 12:01:30 am »
The wording of the Entropic Annihilator is sort of confusing. It says, "Gets +1|+1 per 2 :entropy that is absorbed each turn." Does this only apply to the quanta that is absorbed by that card specifically, or any quanta absorbed, such as from Dissapation shield, Devourer, and Black hole? I assume Sanctuary would prevent Entropic Annihilator from absorbing quanta, but would it also kill it?

It is not affected by sanctuary, as the drain happens during your turn.
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Re: Entropic Resonator | Entropic Annihilator https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=47584.msg1050147#msg1050147
« Reply #10 on: March 11, 2013, 02:55:47 am »
The wording of the Entropic Annihilator is sort of confusing. It says, "Gets +1|+1 per 2 :entropy that is absorbed each turn." Does this only apply to the quanta that is absorbed by that card specifically, or any quanta absorbed, such as from Dissapation shield, Devourer, and Black hole? I assume Sanctuary would prevent Entropic Annihilator from absorbing quanta, but would it also kill it?

It is not affected by sanctuary, as the drain happens during your turn.
The wording of the Entropic Annihilator is sort of confusing. It says, "Gets +1|+1 per 2 :entropy that is absorbed each turn." Does this only apply to the quanta that is absorbed by that card specifically, or any quanta absorbed, such as from Dissapation shield, Devourer, and Black hole? I assume Sanctuary would prevent Entropic Annihilator from absorbing quanta, but would it also kill it?

Sanctuary would not stop this creature for the reasons andretimpa noted.

As for the blackhole / dissipation shield absorption affecting this card... I didn't think of that one.

On the one hand, it would be closer to the unupgraded if not. However, if it did interact, that would make for some interesting usage potential.

I'm actually not sure which way would be better.

The interaction would help it grow faster due to absorption effects, but that would in turn lead to even greater absorption... Any ideas on how that will affect balance?
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Re: Entropic Resonator | Entropic Annihilator https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=47584.msg1050148#msg1050148
« Reply #11 on: March 11, 2013, 03:02:20 am »
I find the idea odd, but it seems built in prior entropy card mechanics.
Power based on  :entropy quanta consumption, as shown by  :entropy's dissipation field.
And transformation of ability when upgraded, as Chaos Power has done.
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