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Elements the Game => Card Ideas and Art => Topic started by: Drake_XIV on February 08, 2012, 03:29:45 am

Title: Elven Bowman | Elven Sniper
Post by: Drake_XIV on February 08, 2012, 03:29:45 am

(http://i.imgur.com/Bf7Nb.png)	(http://i.imgur.com/tHX3k.png)
NAME: Elven Bowman ELEMENT: Life COST: 3 :life TYPE: Creature ATK|HP: 2 | 4 TEXT: Steady: When Elven Bowman misses, it gains +1 | 0 and attacks again.	NAME: Elven Sniper ELEMENT: Life COST: 3 :life TYPE: Creature ATK|HP: 2 | 6 TEXT: Steady: When Elven Sniper misses, it gains +1 | 0 and attacks again.

ART: DuneChampion (http://fav.me/d3jmkz5) [Seeking Replacement] Slightly modified by Drake_XIV IDEA: Drake_XIV NOTES: Now you aren't completely useless against Phase Shields, Fog Shields, or Dusk Mantles. Damage reductions or stasis do not count as misses. The extra attack from Steady only happens once. If multiple misses occur under the influence of Adrenaline, the attack boosts are added with each attack, but the extra attack made due to Steady does not occur. SERIES:

Title: Re: Elven Bowman | Elven Sniper
Post by: OdinVanguard on February 08, 2012, 03:35:40 am

Interesting. Phase shield beware  ;)

Title: Re: Elven Bowman | Elven Sniper
Post by: Rutarete on February 08, 2012, 03:36:59 am

I think this would be a great addition to Life, because it lacks a type of growing creature.

Title: Re: Elven Bowman | Elven Sniper
Post by: Drake_XIV on February 08, 2012, 03:37:24 am

Quote from: Rutarete on February 08, 2012, 03:36:59 am

I think this would be a great addition to Life, because it lacks a type of growing creature.

Forest Spirit

Title: Re: Elven Bowman | Elven Sniper
Post by: Rutarete on February 08, 2012, 04:10:27 am

Quote from: Drake_XIV on February 08, 2012, 03:37:24 am

Quote from: Rutarete on February 08, 2012, 03:36:59 am

I think this would be a great addition to Life, because it lacks a type of growing creature.

Forest Spirit

*facepalm* This is what school does to me...

Title: Re: Elven Bowman | Elven Sniper
Post by: dragonsdemesne on February 08, 2012, 04:21:21 am

This card has the Dragon stamp of approval on it.

Title: Re: Elven Bowman | Elven Sniper
Post by: furballdn on February 08, 2012, 04:27:59 am

Just on a thematic note, how does this miss against wings? Shouldn't it be ranged as well?

Title: Re: Elven Bowman | Elven Sniper
Post by: Drake_XIV on February 08, 2012, 04:30:17 am

Quote from: furballdn on February 08, 2012, 04:27:59 am

Just on a thematic note, how does this miss against wings? Shouldn't it be ranged as well?

I thought it was only airborne creatures and ranged weapons.

Title: Re: Elven Bowman | Elven Sniper
Post by: furballdn on February 08, 2012, 04:34:23 am

Quote from: Drake_XIV on February 08, 2012, 04:30:17 am

Quote from: furballdn on February 08, 2012, 04:27:59 am

Just on a thematic note, how does this miss against wings? Shouldn't it be ranged as well?

I thought it was only airborne creatures and ranged weapons.

Yes, but a crusader endowed with a bow can get past wings, so shouldn't this be allowed to bypass wings also? (correct me if I'm wrong)

Title: Re: Elven Bowman | Elven Sniper
Post by: Drake_XIV on February 08, 2012, 04:36:45 am

Quote from: furballdn on February 08, 2012, 04:34:23 am

Quote from: Drake_XIV on February 08, 2012, 04:30:17 am

Quote from: furballdn on February 08, 2012, 04:27:59 am

Just on a thematic note, how does this miss against wings? Shouldn't it be ranged as well?

I thought it was only airborne creatures and ranged weapons.

Yes, but a crusader endowed with a bow can get past wings, so shouldn't this be allowed to bypass wings also? (correct me if I'm wrong)

I was thinking that it is because it takes on the Ranged nature of the weapon, if they do have it.

Let's say this: It's hard to hit a flying object.

Title: Re: Elven Bowman | Elven Sniper
Post by: Mathematistic on February 08, 2012, 03:12:12 pm

Quote from: Drake_XIV on February 08, 2012, 03:37:24 am

Quote from: Rutarete on February 08, 2012, 03:36:59 am

I think this would be a great addition to Life, because it lacks a type of growing creature.

Forest Spirit

Perpetual growth is not same as pumping up with quanta, so Forest Spirit is another story...
Anyways, nice counter VS hax shields and chained dimshields/wings.

Title: Re: Elven Bowman | Elven Sniper
Post by: moomoose on February 08, 2012, 05:06:44 pm

its an OK mechanic, thought I had seen it before as a fire creature though, may be in level two archives or level three. 

also this is a ranged creature so wings is irrelevant

edit- yeah,  blazing swordsman in level three uses the 'gain stats when it doesn't deal damage' mechanic

and not to mention youre using copyrighted artwork

Title: Re: Elven Bowman | Elven Sniper
Post by: Drake_XIV on February 14, 2012, 02:16:24 am

Thank you for pointing that out.  I was rushing a bit when I posted this originally.  I will change it accordingly...

Title: Re: Elven Bowman | Elven Sniper
Post by: moomoose on February 14, 2012, 04:38:41 am

still using copyrighted artwork and the mechanic has still been done before

Title: Re: Elven Bowman | Elven Sniper
Post by: Drake_XIV on February 14, 2012, 04:51:52 am

One, explicit permission nulls any copyright issues, no?

Two, this is a bit more specific to missing, as opposed to not dealing damage.  Aside from being :life , I think that constitutes enough of a difference.

Title: Re: Elven Bowman | Elven Sniper
Post by: EmeraldTiger on February 14, 2012, 05:05:02 am

Quote from: Drake_XIV on February 14, 2012, 04:51:52 am

One, explicit permission nulls any copyright issues, no?

Please link the permission, thank you.

Title: Re: Elven Bowman | Elven Sniper
Post by: Drake_XIV on February 14, 2012, 05:26:37 am

As soon as I get computer access...

Title: Re: Elven Bowman | Elven Sniper
Post by: moomoose on February 14, 2012, 03:14:46 pm

1) element will never be a consideration when comparing ideas, it is irrelevant.  the small exception is when it is changing the element of something already in game, but it should have a darn good reason for doing so.
2) so you basically subset the times the skill would activate to phase shield, fog and dusk, this is about as big of a change as "hyperlinks... on a phone!" instead of just "hyperlinks".

Title: Re: Elven Bowman | Elven Sniper
Post by: The M on February 14, 2012, 04:30:29 pm

This + Adrenaline + Fog Shield = Win

Title: Re: Elven Bowman | Elven Sniper
Post by: Drake_XIV on February 15, 2012, 12:34:50 am

Quote from: moomoose on February 14, 2012, 03:14:46 pm

1) element will never be a consideration when comparing ideas, it is irrelevant.  the small exception is when it is changing the element of something already in game, but it should have a darn good reason for doing so.
2) so you basically subset the times the skill would activate to phase shield, fog and dusk, this is about as big of a change as "hyperlinks... on a phone!" instead of just "hyperlinks".

Okay, I'm just going to agree with you for the time being, but, adhering to the use of the incorporation of some effect when it misses, what can I change so that it could be considered different from Blazing Swordsman?

Title: Re: Elven Bowman | Elven Sniper
Post by: moomoose on February 15, 2012, 02:28:21 am

attack a second time after a miss, perhaps, or give it a passive which makes it unable to 'miss'

Title: Re: Elven Bowman | Elven Sniper
Post by: furballdn on February 15, 2012, 02:37:32 am

Quote from: moomoose on February 15, 2012, 02:28:21 am

give it a passive which makes it unable to 'miss'

Like unlobotomizable momentum?

Title: Re: Elven Bowman | Elven Sniper
Post by: moomoose on February 15, 2012, 02:45:39 am

nope, would just be limited to phase shield, fog and dusk.  pretty limited, one of those 'vanilla bean' creatures that are all the rage these days.

Title: Re: Elven Bowman | Elven Sniper
Post by: Drake_XIV on April 21, 2012, 04:27:45 pm

Updated.

Will not move to Crucible until artwork is approved or suitable replacement is found.