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Re: Elixir of Life | Elixir of Life https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=15848.msg203494#msg203494
« Reply #12 on: November 18, 2010, 03:34:30 am »
I don't like that this is called "Elixir of Life" and is of the Light element.

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Re: Elixir of Life | Elixir of Life https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=15848.msg203505#msg203505
« Reply #13 on: November 18, 2010, 03:57:49 am »
I don't like that this is called "Elixir of Life" and is of the Light element.

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Re: Elixir of Life | Elixir of Life https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=15848.msg203512#msg203512
« Reply #14 on: November 18, 2010, 04:25:04 am »
I have to say, the effect is very :light but the name is not.
I would rename it Liquid Gold (An obscure name for the same thing).
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Re: Elixir of Life | Elixir of Life https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=15848.msg203539#msg203539
« Reply #15 on: November 18, 2010, 05:06:00 am »
I was actually thinking of making it  :water and Elixir of Life, since water is regarded as the elixir of life, y'know, all life needs water and that kind of stuff. But I decided on  :light. Definitely life isn't the right element that's about nature, this is about immortality, it's supposed to be like a holy gift, so it should be  :light or  :water. Elixir of Life really was a serious belief in many ancient cultures in like India and China and such, so it should be called that.

So, it cannot take effect from Infect, Fire Shield, EE, RoF, Plague, Thunderstorm, Thunderbolt, Gravity Pull, Drain Life, Fire Bolt, Ice Bolt (aside from freeze), Otyugh, Rage Potion, Unstable Gas, Shockwave, (in the case of Death or Darkness) Holy Light. no way will that ever work without a cost boost.
Quintessence is Immune to everything on that list, including Eternity, Reverse time, Lobotimizer, Mind Flayer, Arctic Squid, Freeze, Congeal, Antimatter. The only downside is that it is untargetable and isn't immune to Fire Shield and Thorn Carapace. Is it really a huge buff? I'm not even sure where it's extremely useful. If a creature is too big, antimatter it. If it's skill is bothering you, lobotomize it. Reversing it is pretty much a hard counter, and Squid-lock works on it easily.
I fail to see how it is better than quintessence. Antimatter and Reverse time are MUCH more widely used than Fire Shield and Thorn Carapace.

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Re: Elixir of Life | Elixir of Life https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=15848.msg203623#msg203623
« Reply #16 on: November 18, 2010, 07:33:05 am »
How about holy elixir?
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Re: Elixir of Life | Elixir of Life https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=15848.msg203866#msg203866
« Reply #17 on: November 18, 2010, 05:06:16 pm »
I second holy elixir.

The reason this card is approximately superior to quint (although you convinced me that 4|3 would work) is that it blocks all permanent CC and leaves only temporary/reversible CC (antimatter,lobotomy[mutate],reverse time, freeze) and all buffs.
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Re: Elixir of Life | Elixir of Life https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=15848.msg203891#msg203891
« Reply #18 on: November 18, 2010, 06:30:05 pm »
I suggest to start a poll.
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Re: Elixir of Life | Elixir of Life https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=15848.msg203918#msg203918
« Reply #19 on: November 18, 2010, 07:28:17 pm »
I think 5 :light|4 :light should be fine.
After all it is not full Trollshroud (Trollshroud= Only the user can target)
Ah, good old Ascetic Troll.

The reason people are saying it needs to cost more then quint is that it gains immunity to most CC, but it can still be buffed just fine.

Anyway, OT, the thing that really needs to be resolved is gravity pull. Best solution I can come up with is that the creature can only have one or the other at a time. Playing one on it overrides the other.

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Re: Elixir of Life | Elixir of Life https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=15848.msg204023#msg204023
« Reply #20 on: November 18, 2010, 09:49:51 pm »
The thing about this is that you can still buff the creature, fractal the creature, and do a bunch of other stuff to it that you can't do to quinted creatures.

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Re: Elixir of Life | Elixir of Life https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=15848.msg204060#msg204060
« Reply #21 on: November 18, 2010, 10:43:06 pm »
Anyway, OT, the thing that really needs to be resolved is gravity pull. Best solution I can come up with is that the creature can only have one or the other at a time. Playing one on it overrides the other.
I agree that would work. (probably enough of a weakness to go back to 3|2?)
However I would suggest that holy elixir makes the creature immune to gravity pull. (removes it and negates future applications)
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Re: Elixir of Life | Elixir of Life https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=15848.msg204065#msg204065
« Reply #22 on: November 18, 2010, 10:46:08 pm »
How about Soul Elixir?

And you're right, I forgot soft CC such as reverse time would be a counter to this. So having a cost about the same as quint would be the best option.
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Re: Elixir of Life | Elixir of Life https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=15848.msg204089#msg204089
« Reply #23 on: November 18, 2010, 11:11:39 pm »
I suggest to start a poll.
Mmkay, added.
I think 5 :light|4 :light should be fine.
After all it is not full Trollshroud (Trollshroud= Only the user can target)
Ah, good old Ascetic Troll.

The reason people are saying it needs to cost more then quint is that it gains immunity to most CC, but it can still be buffed just fine.

Anyway, OT, the thing that really needs to be resolved is gravity pull. Best solution I can come up with is that the creature can only have one or the other at a time. Playing one on it overrides the other.
Any solutions? I think the only option is to make Gravity Pull have no effect whatsoever, damage goes straight right through. It's not great, but there's not much choice I have.

 

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