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Dream Bird | Dream Hawk https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36098.msg454017#msg454017
« on: January 28, 2012, 07:14:37 pm »
NAME:
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4 :air
TYPE:
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ATK|HP:
7 | 4
TEXT:
Starts with one counter.
When Dream Bird has no counter, you are silenced.
:aether : Add a counter.
NAME:
Dream Hawk
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COST:
4 :air
TYPE:
Creature
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2 | 6
TEXT:
Starts with four counters.
When Dream Hawk has no counter, opponent is silenced.
:aether : Remove a counter.
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Re: Dream Bird | Dream Hawk https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36098.msg454037#msg454037
« Reply #1 on: January 28, 2012, 08:14:56 pm »
and how do you lose the counter?

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Re: Dream Bird | Dream Hawk https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36098.msg454040#msg454040
« Reply #2 on: January 28, 2012, 08:21:23 pm »
and how do you lose the counter?
I suppose it functions like a Freeze counter.
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Re: Dream Bird | Dream Hawk https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36098.msg454041#msg454041
« Reply #3 on: January 28, 2012, 08:33:04 pm »
and how do you lose the counter?
I suppose it functions like a Freeze counter.
More exactly like phase shield :>
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Re: Dream Bird | Dream Hawk https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36098.msg454044#msg454044
« Reply #4 on: January 28, 2012, 08:35:22 pm »
Is the silence ability a passive ability?

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That aside, I think starting with 1 counter is a bit bad. That means at the start of your turn, you are automatically silenced until you spend 1 :aether. Starting with 2 leaves some leeway.
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Re: Dream Bird | Dream Hawk https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36098.msg454059#msg454059
« Reply #5 on: January 28, 2012, 09:01:47 pm »
Yups.
Hmm. Well, we had a discussion up in chat about it, and 2 counters (original) seemed too strong. :S
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Re: Dream Bird | Dream Hawk https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36098.msg454072#msg454072
« Reply #6 on: January 28, 2012, 09:21:22 pm »
Does Dream hawk gain back counters after it hits 0? Or does it lock your opponent into permanent silence? If Dream bird loses all its counters and you have no :aether, are you permanently silenced?

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Re: Dream Bird | Dream Hawk https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36098.msg454085#msg454085
« Reply #7 on: January 28, 2012, 09:36:56 pm »
Does Dream hawk gain back counters after it hits 0? Or does it lock your opponent into permanent silence? If Dream bird loses all its counters and you have no :aether, are you permanently silenced?
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Re: Dream Bird | Dream Hawk https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36098.msg454097#msg454097
« Reply #8 on: January 28, 2012, 10:13:38 pm »
Hmm...how is your opponent supposed to counter being permanently silenced aside from happening to have a Permanent/Creature on the field ahead of time to stop Dream Hawk? 

Do Dream Hawk's counters continue to decrease by 1 each turn regardless of its ability being used that turn?

Can Dream Bird's ability be used to counter the spell, Silence?
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Re: Dream Bird | Dream Hawk https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36098.msg454101#msg454101
« Reply #9 on: January 28, 2012, 10:17:52 pm »
I feel Dream Hawk's effect has too great a magnitude for EtG. Permanent Silence on the opponent is a problem and would create a sufficiently negative play experience  to warrant removal.

Dream Bird is fine because that is self inflicted.
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Re: Dream Bird | Dream Hawk https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36098.msg454106#msg454106
« Reply #10 on: January 28, 2012, 10:45:06 pm »
I agree that permanent silence is not a good addition. Maybe add in the notes "for 1 turn?"
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Re: Dream Bird | Dream Hawk https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36098.msg454110#msg454110
« Reply #11 on: January 28, 2012, 10:50:33 pm »
Hmm...how is your opponent supposed to counter being permanently silenced aside from happening to have a Permanent/Creature on the field ahead of time to stop Dream Hawk? 

Do Dream Hawk's counters continue to decrease by 1 each turn regardless of its ability being used that turn?

Can Dream Bird's ability be used to counter the spell, Silence?
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Yes.

No.

I agree that permanent silence is not a good addition. Maybe add in the notes "for 1 turn?"
Hmm. & have ability be add one counter, & possibly work on counter numbers?
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