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Dove | Guardian Dove https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=12784.msg161969#msg161969
« on: September 20, 2010, 10:26:08 pm »
NAME:
Dove
ELEMENT:
Air
COST:
3 :air
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
-3 | -2
TEXT:
:light Peace: This turn creatures and weapons cannot attack.
NAME:
Guardian Dove
ELEMENT:
Air
COST:
3 :air
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
-3 | -2
TEXT:
:light Peace: This turn creatures and weapons cannot attack.

Gains Gravity Pull when next attack to you would leave you with 0 HP or less.
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NOTES:
Peace is basically a reuseable Sundial that affects weapons as well.

Yes the attack and health of Dove | Guardian Dove are correct. How do you make Dune Scorpion attack? You buff it. How do you make Dove live? You Bless it.  8) (or anything else that will increase its HP past 0)

EDIT: I've been told that creatures with negative health would not even live to be buffed. Until I get some sort of confirmation from someone who can somehow test it, I'm going to leave it like this. If it really bothers you, pretend the HP = 0.

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Re: Dove | Guardian Dove https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=12784.msg161999#msg161999
« Reply #1 on: September 20, 2010, 10:54:35 pm »
Creatures' HP cannot go into negatives because if they did, they would instantly die. The only card that can have 0 HP and still be on the field is Spark, so this creature couldn't even live to use it's ability. Maybe make it 2 and decrease by 1 every turn.

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Re: Dove | Guardian Dove https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=12784.msg162005#msg162005
« Reply #2 on: September 20, 2010, 11:00:15 pm »
Please read notes.
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Re: Dove | Guardian Dove https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=12784.msg162012#msg162012
« Reply #3 on: September 20, 2010, 11:13:11 pm »
I read the notes. Even if it had 0, it wouldn't live to use it's ability. If you buffed it with a card like plate armor. Then it would be OPed since you would have an infinite Sundial.

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Re: Dove | Guardian Dove https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=12784.msg162013#msg162013
« Reply #4 on: September 20, 2010, 11:15:10 pm »
No no no, you are getting the wrong information.  Even if a card has negative health, it will still live when you play it, it just wouldn't live to use its ability, which is what the OP wanted.  This card requires a buff to use its ability, which is, again, intended.

Don't forget, you cannot kill your opponent either while the ability is being used.
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Re: Dove | Guardian Dove https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=12784.msg162016#msg162016
« Reply #5 on: September 20, 2010, 11:18:06 pm »
And then what are you going to do? Miracle them to death? Or better, Shockwave them? This card is designed to avoid damage and protect you, granted the costs may be a bit low, and I will consider raising them.

It can live, you can Bless it, you can Basilisk Blood it, you can Heavy Armor it. There are many ways of making it survive one turn, but these combinations really don't prove to be very effective for defeating the enemy. Most stalls have Eternity which will render this useless, if you pack poisons, it goes right through. If it receives more comments that it's OP, I'll consider increasing costs.
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Re: Dove | Guardian Dove https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=12784.msg162019#msg162019
« Reply #6 on: September 20, 2010, 11:19:35 pm »
Oh yeah, just saw the -3 attack. That would mean you would slowly heal your opponent since negatives don't count as attack. I guess it isn't OP then.

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Re: Dove | Guardian Dove https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=12784.msg162020#msg162020
« Reply #7 on: September 20, 2010, 11:21:30 pm »
make the health 0, its possible to buff BL's so this could be buffed too.  as to the actual card...it definitely needs a nerf. :air :air :air :light :light for a reusable sundial that costs only :light is way OP. in a trio, you could make that even more OP by adding a :aether :aether :aether quint. the extra ability is very useful too, you could have multiple copies of these to stall for 6 turns...that's a lot!
so I'd recommend getting rid of the extra ability of the upgraded version, then waay nerfing the costs.  How about 6 :air to play and 6 :light to use the skill? I have no idea really if that's still OP or enough to make it UP. the extra costs would make it a lot harder to focus on a separate version of doing damage, such as fire bolts, or use this in a rainbow

although if you get this quinted, you will almost never die (antimattered creatures dont die to fire shield, correct?). so then i think even if the cost is jacked up, its way to useful in a deckout deck to be considered.


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Re: Dove | Guardian Dove https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=12784.msg162069#msg162069
« Reply #8 on: September 21, 2010, 12:09:12 am »
Either make thhe health 0 or 1, it is very confusing to have a negative health.
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Re: Dove | Guardian Dove https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=12784.msg162124#msg162124
« Reply #9 on: September 21, 2010, 12:59:03 am »
its interesting but blessing it makes it kinda easy then.
+3 l +3
leaving it with 0l1
but still able to use the ability
maybe for everytime it uses ability it loses a health? solves the - health prob

but i like the concept, at least it is targetable by spells unlike immortals

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Re: Dove | Guardian Dove https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=12784.msg162126#msg162126
« Reply #10 on: September 21, 2010, 01:01:23 am »
its interesting but blessing it makes it kinda easy then.
+3 l +3
leaving it with 0l1
but still able to use the ability
maybe for everytime it uses ability it loses a health? solves the - health prob

but i like the concept, at least it is targetable by spells unlike immortals
To build on this, why not make the ability waste 1 HP but the creature starts at -3/1?
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Re: Dove | Guardian Dove https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=12784.msg162193#msg162193
« Reply #11 on: September 21, 2010, 02:50:32 am »
its interesting but blessing it makes it kinda easy then.
+3 l +3
leaving it with 0l1
but still able to use the ability
maybe for everytime it uses ability it loses a health? solves the - health prob

but i like the concept, at least it is targetable by spells unlike immortals
To build on this, why not make the ability waste 1 HP but the creature starts at -3/1?
i somewhat like that because u have to bless it and keep healing it
but yea cost should be 4 or 3.... 2 much stalling i guess

 

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