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Re: Doom Tank | Doom Tank https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50675.msg1092998#msg1092998
« Reply #12 on: August 16, 2013, 11:11:23 pm »
The only downside is that you don't have a Voodoo tanking the damage for you
I agree though, the combo's too easy
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Re: Doom Tank | Doom Tank https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50675.msg1093012#msg1093012
« Reply #13 on: August 16, 2013, 11:38:55 pm »
I have three options to solve the problem:
  • Remove the Voodoo passive
  • Make Doom a 3 turn delayed insta-kill effect
  • Make Doom deal only 15-20 damage, but after 2 turns

Which one sounds more stable?
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Re: Doom Tank | Doom Tank https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50675.msg1093014#msg1093014
« Reply #14 on: August 16, 2013, 11:42:04 pm »
Combine the first and last one? No voodoo and less damage?

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Re: Doom Tank | Doom Tank https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50675.msg1093282#msg1093282
« Reply #15 on: August 18, 2013, 10:52:38 pm »
Damage of Doom is now reduced, Doom Tank's durability is reduced to maximum 3 turns without a buff, and Voodoo was removed from the unupgraded card.
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Re: Doom Tank | Doom Tank https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50675.msg1093295#msg1093295
« Reply #16 on: August 19, 2013, 01:07:50 am »
Upped is now quite a bit stronger than the unupped. Not sure if OP though, perhaps the unupped is UP.

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Re: Doom Tank | Doom Tank https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50675.msg1093341#msg1093341
« Reply #17 on: August 19, 2013, 12:17:04 pm »
Upped is now quite a bit stronger than the unupped. Not sure if OP though, perhaps the unupped is UP.

What about making the unupgraded enter play with only 1 poison, voodoo, but with only 3 HP?
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Re: Doom Tank | Doom Tank https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50675.msg1093403#msg1093403
« Reply #18 on: August 19, 2013, 08:41:17 pm »
... that's actually probably better than the upped. Buffing both cards with BB gives you 20|10 more turns.

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Re: Doom Tank | Doom Tank https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50675.msg1093963#msg1093963
« Reply #19 on: August 23, 2013, 12:02:04 am »
Fun!... The ability may be a bit on the strong side... but at least the high cost will give something to sink massive :death quanta into. Be sure your card's text matches the text you list for it before submitting.

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Re: Doom Tank | Doom Tank https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50675.msg1094059#msg1094059
« Reply #20 on: August 23, 2013, 12:22:24 pm »
Now only the upgraded card has the Voodoo ability and the texts are also changed accordingly.
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Re: Doom Tank | Doom Tank https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50675.msg1095165#msg1095165
« Reply #21 on: August 29, 2013, 05:30:34 pm »
Upped is now quite a bit stronger than the unupped. Not sure if OP though, perhaps the unupped is UP.

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Re: Doom Tank | Doom Tank https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50675.msg1095298#msg1095298
« Reply #22 on: August 30, 2013, 10:59:26 am »
Upped is now quite a bit stronger than the unupped. Not sure if OP though, perhaps the unupped is UP.
What about changing the unupgraded stats to 1|8? Then the unupped wouldn't be UP and it would be more clear whether the unupped was UP or the upped was OP. Moreover, I noticed that the Doom Tank can't use it's skill on the first turn, so with 6 HP it would only cast twice its ability.
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Re: Doom Tank | Doom Tank https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50675.msg1095331#msg1095331
« Reply #23 on: August 30, 2013, 03:43:43 pm »
Upped is now quite a bit stronger than the unupped. Not sure if OP though, perhaps the unupped is UP.
What about changing the unupgraded stats to 1|8? Then the unupped wouldn't be UP and it would be more clear whether the unupped was UP or the upped was OP. Moreover, I noticed that the Doom Tank can't use it's skill on the first turn, so with 6 HP it would only cast twice its ability.
Don't forget, however, that purify can always be used to remove the poison counters.
If you make the other advantages potent enough this will essentially just become a forced combo.

So in a sense, the most cost benefit you can gain out of having poison counters is 1 to 2 :underworld + 1 extra card advantage (~2 :underworld value... though this is sometimes debated)

So in all, a starting poison count is worth at most 3 :underworld upped and 4 :underworld unupped.

So going to total quanta value of the card, you get:
unupped: 6 :underworld (cost) + 4 :underworld (poison count) = 10 :underworld for a 1|8 with the doom ability
upped: 6 :underworld (cost) + 2 :underworld (upgrade) + 3 :underworld (poison count) = 11 :underworld for a 1|6 with doom and voodoo

I'll leave the assigning of cost-theory value to att|hp and the doom and voodoo abilities to others, but this should be a good starting point:
Is +2 hp and voodoo worth a single :underworld ?
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